Show...me...your print variations!

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Thoughts 1969 Don Wilson - saw this one recently that wasn't fully air brushed...any thoughts on what on the cap?

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Just my opinion but I'm thinking 'snow', it's also in his name.

[ejstel]

It looks diagonal like a logo...also that he was only on the Astrosseems strange, why did the airbrush on the cap to all black? The jersey looks like a H or A(Amarillo) and 64 on Colts? Perhaps old photo for '69

In any case, if you see any with less, pls share here...seems strange for the others in the set that year (popovich and perronoski) that Topps didn't black out the master...maybe they did at some point in printing, vs extra black at the end/final print?

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[G1911]

Green line to right of cartoon is frequently recurring

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ejstel

It looks diagonal like a logo...also that he was only on the Astrosseems strange, why did the airbrush on the cap to all black? The jersey looks like a H or A(Amarillo) and 64 on Colts? Perhaps old photo for '69

In any case, if you see any with less, pls share here...seems strange for the others in the set that year (popovich and perronoski) that Topps didn't black out the master...maybe they did at some point in printing, vs extra black at the end/final print?

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There was a bizarre lawsuit involving the Astros logo in 1968 and 1969, that is why everything is airbrushed and there is no mention of the name Astros on any Topps or Fleer cards those two years. ETA, apparently the lawsuit was settled or thrown out by the time the 1969 Topps 4th Series came out and Jim Wynn and Dan Coombs have the Astros logo visible on their uniforms.

[G1911]

The black ink around his position is also very frequently recurring.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by G1911

The black ink around his position is also very frequently recurring.

Kind of looks like a recurring wet sheet transfer.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Kind of looks like a recurring wet sheet transfer.

It sure looks like that to me, but not sure what transfer it so consistently only to Nelson’s card. I would think the card being stacked on top of Nelson would be the back side of a Nelson card from another sheet. Nelson’s back doesn’t seem to have issues with overinking that would make it more likely to leave a transfer when stacking fresh sheets.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

There was a bizarre lawsuit involving the Astros logo in 1968 and 1969, that is why everything is airbrushed and there is no mention of the name Astros on any Topps or Fleer cards those two years. ETA, apparently the lawsuit was settled or thrown out by the time the 1969 Topps 4th Series came out and Jim Wynn and Dan Coombs have the Astros logo visible on their uniforms.

The 68 and 69 Topps sets were also impacted by stalled negotioations for a new licensing agreement between Topps and The Player's Association, now headed by Marvin Miller. Many old, capless, minor league, and obscurred cap shots in those sets. When the agreement was finally reached newer and better pictures showed up in the later 1969 series

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

Stop it would ya?!?!

You must be on a mission to bring to light every Cardinals print variation that I don't have in order to put a damper on my day!

I hate you! (in a light-hearted, hobby sort of way!)

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

Stop it would ya?!?!

You must be on a mission to bring to light every Cardinals print variation that I don't have in order to put a damper on my day!

I hate you! (in a light-hearted, hobby sort of way!)

Ruining things for people is my special talent!

[JollyElm]

I posted this bizarre one in the pickups thread, but Joe feels more at home here...

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[butchie_t]

I have found that there are 4 variations to this card. 2 front variations with normal backs and 2 back variations with normal fronts.

Front #1: The Yellow blob in the Yankees "Y" letter and on his face has a normal (no slash in record line) on back.

Front #2: The blue line above the "EE" in Yankees has a normal (no slash in record line) on back.

Both of the back variations have the normal front:

Back #1: The slash in the record line is broken into two parts and is thin. It also misses the "G" in Batting.

Back #2: The slash in the record line is a single slash and is wider than the broken, thin slash. And it touches the "G" in Batting.

That is all I have found so far.

Both backs variations are shown below Al's cards:

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I posted this bizarre one in the pickups thread, but Joe feels more at home here...

If we're sharing miscut Namath's....

[G1911]

649T

1) Dot next to "To", dot above "3" in "3rd Base" and Curley mark in banner (Shown)

2) Dot above "3" in "3rd base"

3) No dots, no Curley mark

I believe the dot next to To is always paired with the Curley mark in banner.

[G1911]

Hard to capture in a pic, but 1974 Topps #433 Lerrin LeGrow has a blue spot next to his hip on the right side of the card in the grass, or no light blue spot.

[G1911]

#560 Cuellar comes with or without this little black line cutting from the Baltimore banner through the upper left of the orange frame. Not very difficult.

[G1911]

Big white streaking/splotching/whatever at left of photo is a recurring defect.

[butchie_t]

I just added the 72 Jim Hickman Yellow Team variation to my collection. I finished the base set last week and my master set is done now with this acquisition. A little corner ding but well centered and nice. SWEET!

[ALR-bishop]

Congrats Butch

[G1911]

Since we've posted some football in this compilation too before, he's a big one I never see mentioned. Big white splotch is recurring but tough.

[butchie_t]

I have been on the lookout for the following 73 Topps cards with border gaps:

128 Ted Sizemore
504 Ed Williams
508 Gates Brown
596 Red Sox Team Card

So far, I have not run across any of the gapped versions. My questions to the variation experts here are:

For 128, 504, and 508. Are the border gaps on these respective cards the same type of many of the others? Double gap or single gap, or is the gap completely different for these cards?

For 596 is the border gap on this card the same as it is on the Giants Team Card or is the gap break in another location on the border?

Have not seen any of the above so far and am wondering, frankly, if I am looking at the cards wrong or assuming that the breaks are basically the same.

A little help please.

Thanks,

Butch

And if someone here has some extras hanging out on their end, I am happy to entertain a trade or a purchase. Along with the Reuss and Fosse smudged versions. Condition is not a condition for these specimens.

Regards.....

[ALR-bishop]

I think the Williams was listed in the SCD Standard Catalog before Bob Lemke quit doing border gaps. By Gates Brown do you mean 508. On Williams and Brown the gaps are on both the left and right as is the case for many of the 73 gap issue cards

I do not have a gap for Sizemore, maybe Cliff does. I do have the two below. Note the cleaner version has a green streak in upper left just below white border

[butchie_t]

Thanks Al. My finger did not go far enough to the right to get Gates card number. 508 is correct.

Thank you for posting these pictures, this helps quite a bit. And now that I see the Boston Team Card, I can pick that one up pretty quickly. I had seen that variation previously but just was not sure that was it. Most appreciated on my end.

Cheers,

Butch

[Cliff Bowman]

I’m not aware of a border break on the Sizemore but I have seen several plagued with ink issues, many cards on the first series sheet have ink problems. I always thought of the 73 Red Sox Team card as more of a ‘comet’ streaking across the card but I guess it could be considered a border break.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I’m not aware of a border break on the Sizemore but I have seen several plagued with ink issues, many cards on the first series sheet have ink problems. I always thought of the 73 Red Sox Team card as more of a ‘comet’ streaking across the card but I guess it could be considered a border break.

Thank you for your input Cliff. I think I will stop looking for the Sizemore and refocus on the Williams and Brown. The Boston Team card is a quick get from what I have seen so far. The other two are gonna take a while. Not as easy to come across.

Regards,

Butch

[ejstel]

Hi the Williams and Brown are the same; a black gap on the mid bottom left and right side. I have the brown listed in a border break lot on ebay. I probably have the williams around somewhere as well.

I believe the Sizemore error is the red laser across the top?

I am not familiar with the red sox error but I will look into it.

Best,
Ed

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[ejstel]

Rather it's the Simmons w the laser top right

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[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Hi the Williams and Brown are the same; a black gap on the mid bottom left and right side. I have the brown listed in a border break lot on ebay. I probably have the williams around somewhere as well.

I believe the Sizemore error is the red laser across the top?

I am not familiar with the red sox error but I will look into it.

Best,
Ed

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Thanks, I sent you a PM.

Butch,

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I have been on the lookout for the following 73 Topps cards with border gaps:

128 Ted Sizemore
504 Ed Williams
508 Gates Brown
596 Red Sox Team Card

So far, I have not run across any of the gapped versions. My questions to the variation experts here are:

For 128, 504, and 508. Are the border gaps on these respective cards the same type of many of the others? Double gap or single gap, or is the gap completely different for these cards?

For 596 is the border gap on this card the same as it is on the Giants Team Card or is the gap break in another location on the border?

Have not seen any of the above so far and am wondering, frankly, if I am looking at the cards wrong or assuming that the breaks are basically the same.

A little help please.

Thanks,

Butch

And if someone here has some extras hanging out on their end, I am happy to entertain a trade or a purchase. Along with the Reuss and Fosse smudged versions. Condition is not a condition for these specimens.

Regards.....

I went through all of my doubles and found these 73's, I can send you any you need and/or want. The first nine are double border breaks from the fourth series, the next nine are ink errors of Fingers, Alou, Harrah, double border break on Ozark, partial border break on Frisella, ink blob on the Dodgers Team, laser line on Simmons, red ring on Hooton's cap, red dots on Harris, border break on Bahnsen, border break on Bell, slash on Tatum, slash on LaRoche, yellow circle on Carty, A and S missing in TEXAS on Carty.

[butchie_t]

Cliff, please check your DM inbox. I’m interested in a few of the cards you have posted.

Regards,

Butch

[G1911]

1965 Topps #2

There's a dotted slash by Cowan's name on back, and I recently found this one that also has a red line below Aaron's picture. I assume it is some sort of cutting indicator, but most copies of this card off-center to where this would be visible do not have this line.

[Pat R]

Just started going through a 5K box of 70's commons and found these. I'm not sure if they're recurring or if they have been posted in this thread.

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[Pat R]

77 Topps Hartzell and Flanagan

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[Sliphorn]

I received this in yesterday's mail. It was after our mail carrier delivered a 1953 Bowman Pee Wee Reese to the wrong address. This happens OFTEN with mail. Our street has a similar name to a street a couple of blocks over so I guess it requires a PhD to get it correct. It is laughable that they have to send people like me (and the other person) this sticker to put in my mailbox to tell the carrier to make sure the mail is correct. Does anyone else have an stories similar to this?

[ALR-bishop]

At first I assumed this was some sort of postal variation

[G1911]

I like the 75 Foli. Topps seemed to soak cards with an extra blue layer over everything, but the heavy smears like this are one of my favorite defects.

[G1911]

This is recurring, I have seen others, so I do not think it is some kind of damage to the team name.

[G1911]

I don't know if this was a recurring problem or not, I have not seen another one so I wouldn't call it a RPD right now. The ink smearing bleeds through to the back. I'd love to see another one.

[G1911]

This version of 1961 #520 Joe Cunningham, with what looks like a red apostrophe after "Joe", is tougher than the card without it, but is found without a lot of trouble. There's some on eBay right now.

In hand, examining up close, it really looks like an apostrophe and not stray ink. If it was an apostrophe that was then removed, it would be a 'true variation'. If it is not and just looks like one, it would be a 'recurring print defect'. I needed it either way.

[Pat R]

I found this Mike Phillips in my 77 Topps

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and while looking for others like it I found this "checkered" variation, I couldn't find any others so I'm not sure if it could be the scan (it doesn't seem like it is) has anyone seen any other 77 Topps with this?

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[Kevvyg1026]

yes, this leader card is at the bottom of one slit on the 1st series printing.

[4reals]

1961 Topps Norm Larker #130

Top of card can is found with missing blue ink (sky) due to a horizontal white bar. I believe later in the print run they attempted to disguise this by washing out the sky and making the top all white. Or it could just be less blue ink?




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[ALR-bishop]

Good one Joe

Just bought this from fellow board member. Not sure if it has been posted before or not, The red line in bottom below glove is not common but not scarce either

[G1911]

I consider different stocks to be a variation, and so this isn't a RPD for me, but I think many of you guys are doing RPD's and not doing stock variations. You pick if this counts

I think every white back card of Alston has this frame gap in the top left, and all the cream back cards don't have the gap. The cream back is a little easier in series 1 but the white back/frame gap card isn't difficult at all. I'm pretty sure this is a clue to which stock was the initial run, I have most of series 1 with both backs but haven't finished hunting down all the RPD's with both backs and observed enough to know if they probably don't exist with a certain back. I do think Alston here implies that the two stocks were not done at the same time.

[G1911]

#197 Dick Selma can be found with this little mark at top from the printing sheet, if it is cut off center a little bit (not all cards with more space at top show it, actually very few of them do). I wouldn't technically consider this a recurring defect or a print variation, but it seems close enough to note and the kind of thing we like here. It was worth .50 to grab one and add a notation in my spreadsheet.

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by G1911

I consider different stocks to be a variation, and so this isn't a RPD for me, but I think many of you guys are doing RPD's and not doing stock variations. You pick if this counts

I think every white back card of Alston has this frame gap in the top left, and all the cream back cards don't have the gap. The cream back is a little easier in series 1 but the white back/frame gap card isn't difficult at all. I'm pretty sure this is a clue to which stock was the initial run, I have most of series 1 with both backs but haven't finished hunting down all the RPD's with both backs and observed enough to know if they probably don't exist with a certain back. I do think Alston here implies that the two stocks were not done at the same time.

Just checked mine. As you said, the white back has the notch, cream back does not.

Mike

[ALR-bishop]

I generally pursue stock differences if recognized in the Standard Catalog or by PSA. But for 68 while I did the MB set I have not pursued the other back color differences in that set. I gave up on 1991 Topps a free pursuing different backs for awhile. I know there are many differences in many sets but at my age I am starting to wind down on the pursuit of variants. However I enjoy seeing all the stuff you and others post here

[G1911]

Originally Posted by mikemb

Just checked mine. As you said, the white back has the notch, cream back does not.

Mike

Thank you! I'm pretty sure it works this way but then again lots of cards I don't expect to exist end up cropping up

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I generally pursue stock differences if recognized in the Standard Catalog or by PSA. But for 68 while I did the MB set I have not pursued the other back color differences in that set. I gave up on 1991 Topps a free pursuing different backs for awhile. I know there are many differences in many sets but at my age I am starting to wind down on the pursuit of variants. However I enjoy seeing all the stuff you and others post here

I've been doing the completely arbitrary and personal 'I collect a stock variety if it is apparent enough at a glance that I can tell in an eBay listing which version it is without zooming in'. I skip the superstars, getting a second Joe Sparma for thirty nine cents on COMC is a fun cross-off on my checklist, paying for another Hank Aaron isn't really worth it to me.

I'm getting pretty deep into the Milton Bradley's, mostly stuck on the 22 Hot Rod cards in the set. They aren't any rarer, but people just don't bother to sell them since they aren't worth much. I need the Ryan still....

[ALR-bishop]

This one is interesting, to me anyway. Bowman 1950 cards 181 to 252 can be found with or without the copyright on the back. Cards with no copyrights are tougher, and no copyrights from 181 to 210 are very tough to find.

Card 245 Papai can be found not only with copyright and without, but also with a blue arc on the bottom front. The arc versions are scarce but occur on both the copyright and no copyright versions, which is what I found interesting.

I think Thomas may have posted the arc version previously