Show...me...your print variations!

[G1911]

Another 1970, one I got in recently. I have seen a second copy of this so it is recurring, though I think pretty tough. This is the same problem as the #182 Dick Hall from somewhere in this thread. I'm calling them the 'mottled' versions in my checklist. Hall was on a cream back, this one is a white back. I would imagine they may exist cross stock, and probably more series 2 cards can come this way.

EDIT: #247, Lou Klimchock

[G1911]

Dave Nicholson #234 comes with or without this yellow strip beneath his arm in the inset photo. Both versions are easy to find. I suspect this is one that was steady on one the cards placements on a sheet.

[ALR-bishop]

Another 70 Leader card with defects....not the same card, front and back of two different # 67s

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Another 70 Leader card with defects....not the same card, front and back of two different # 67s

Al,

That card also can be found with a white line across the top too.

Question for you. Do you have these defects already in your collection or do you come across them as you do searches? And do you have a database of all your defects/variations? Can a glom onto a copy of it if you do?

I have seen comments here regarding your extensive expertise in this area and have added many cards to my collection based on your postings. Point in fact, I finally found the one you just listed. Not an easy one to come by based on my searching.....but I have one now.

Thanks.

Butch

[ALR-bishop]

Anything I post I have, but since I do variants for all Topps, Fleer and Bowman sets I do not keep a master list. Way back we debated starting a list or index in the never ending variations thread but gave up early on. I too get a lot of help in looking for stuff from the postings on here.

I have often used Richard Dingman's lists. This is just his 50s list


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...2N_HQLdKk5xD8-

[butchie_t]

Thanks for the info and the link Al.

Nice info on that site, or bad for a variation searching junkie.

Regards,

Butch.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Here are some of my black-less (as well as "black-lessing", red-less, and yellow-less) pick-ups.

[Sliphorn]

On this card, there is a red slash on his right arm and a short vertical line at the top. I have one and saw three of these on COMC. All have both the slash and the line.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Thomas. Not common but not hard to find

[Elberson]

Another 1967 Topps back read find……537 chuck estrada …….dot version?

[Elberson]

Almost the same as 1967 topps Jim owens……dots or snakeskin

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Here are some of my black-less (as well as "black-lessing", red-less, and yellow-less) pick-ups.

LOVE the coloring on those '71 Progressive Proofs.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

LOVE the coloring on those '71 Progressive Proofs.

Thank you, Mark. Obviously, the Bando and the Fregosi appear to be "blue" only proofs. The Wine card seems to have just 3 colors lacking the black, the same as the Garvey in this thread: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1583626

As with the Garvey and Beckert card, these 3 cards have normal backs

My question then is, is the Wine card simply black-less card or is it a 3-color progressive proof? If it is a 3-color progressive proof, what is the progression of the first 3 colors on the progressive proofs? My guess is that blue would be the first color as the Beckert, Bando and Fregosi cards are blue only. So, is a blue/yellow only card or a blue/red only card second in the progression after the blue only?

ETA: I found my own answer:

From the Dictionary of Marketing Terms: progressive proofs (progs)
Set of proofs made during the four-color printing process; also called color proofs. Typically, there are seven different impressions in a set of progressive proofs: one for each color alone and then the combinations as succeeding colors are added. The final proof will show the finished color reproduction. An example of a progressive sequence follows: (1) impression of the red plate; (2) impression of the yellow plate; (3) impression of the yellow plate on the red plate; (4) impression of the blue plate; (5) impression of the blue plate on the yellow and red plate; (6) impression of the black plate; (7) impression of the black plate on the yellow, red, and blue plate.


With this in mind, the Wise and Garvey cards would be #5s, while the Fregosi and Bando would be #4s.

[savedfrommyspokes]

The progression list above would explain this black only card I received with the other 3. This card is a blank backed card.

[Lucas00]

Break out your '53 BC Folks.
Being a single player collector and combing over the same cards gives you a wide array of what to expect. I found that Reds '53 Bowman color usually has a very small small red dot, very faint red line, or in this case (the only one I've ever seen) a complete bloody wound. No it's not a mark. I can't tell if it's a print defect or an actual injury red had that was caught and airbrushed very early on. To me it looks like the ladder and fits his skin too well for a print defect.
I've been looking for over a year and headed to the national trying to find another example as one of my top priorities. Alas nothing came close. So I've given up looking for another and wondered if anybody on the board had one.

Thanks
Lucas

[butchie_t]

I picked up this nice 70T Tovar with a bullseye between the name and position.

[ejstel]

Received this in a lot today..one of the lightest Luis Alcaraz with the Omaha O clear on the hat (I think)..but a Dodgers Jersey?

Best,
Ed

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Received this in a lot today..one of the lightest Luis Alcaraz with the Omaha O clear on the hat (I think)..but a Dodgers Jersey?

Strange, that sure doesn't look like it could possibly be an Omaha jersey but his hat clearly was. You can make out the O on a normally tinted card if you angle it and squint. Omaha was a Royals farm team, so the photo must be from after his sale to the Royals. Odd he'd still pose with a Dodgers jersey

[butchie_t]

Just picked up some Gil Hodges rocking a little earring bling!

He will be removed from the tomb and will join all the rest of his friends in the binder.

Another variation off the list.

Cheers,

Butch

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Received this in a lot today..one of the lightest Luis Alcaraz with the Omaha O clear on the hat (I think)..but a Dodgers Jersey?

Best,
Ed

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Ed,

This may sound a little whack. I looked at a number of these cards and they all have that "O-esque" look about them. I am thinking that it may just be an unintended consequence of a bad attempt of covering up the "LA" on the hat. They all have that "O" look about them.

The other circumstance that leads me to believe the above. The Omaha Royals started operations in 1969. My WAG here is that picture of Alcaraz would have been taken in 68. If that is the case, then no Omaha Royals team existed in 68.

Cheers,

Butch.

[4reals]

Partial black border missing on corner of 74 cl, partial border missing at top of 79 B. Lee, low black ink pass on 74 Stargell.







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[butchie_t]

A couple of his cards where it looks like he just drank some blood.
Position smears too.

[butchie_t]

Brent has /at least/ 4 variations. 3 don't look all that bad and 1 looks like a bad scab to the left side of his temple.

[ALR-bishop]

Picked this up for grins

[butchie_t]

Gotta be one of a kind. U da man.

A classic Topps fix by the way.

[ALR-bishop]

Do not think it is legit. Seller had it up for low price with no mention of the defect/oddity. Nothing shows up on blue light but whatever it is does not scape off and does not seem like marker or white out

[butchie_t]

Has to be legit.....that KC looks like so many team logos from previous bad Topps attempts. You gotta deal. HUGE WINK goes here.

That is a cool find though.

Cheers,

Butch

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Brent has 4 variations. 3 don't look all that bad and 1 looks like a bad scab to the left side of his temple.

Until you posted this, I had always felt that there were five variations of this card, but your 3rd image is different from the five I have. In your 3rd image, the spot appears green in color and the small print spot at the top of the image, beneath the "E" in Padres, is not present as it is in the others.

My last three all have varying amounts of the red/white anomaly from the 2nd image scribbled in by someone at Topps.

IMO, the most common variety is the first one, the one where the print anomaly is all white.

[butchie_t]

Larry,

Thanks for your additional info on Strom.

So there are at least 6 (not 4 mentioned above). I'll add them to my library and be on the look out for them now.

Frankly the one (now three) variations look like gunshot wounds to me. Not a great way to describe it though.

Cheers,

Butch

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Larry,

Thanks for your additional info on Strom.

So there are at least 6 (not 4 mentioned above). I'll add them to my library and be on the look out for them now.

Frankly the one (now three) variations look like gunshot wounds to me. Not a great way to describe it though.

Cheers,

Butch

Thank you Butch for posting your pickups...looks like we both have some more work to do to finish this "run". It wouldn't be surprising if someone posts yet another variation of this card.

[butchie_t]

Well Larry,

I think I found just that, another version. Brent's wound is healing nicely.

Brent is gonna bankrupt me before all is said and done.

I think I am up to 8 now by my count. Plus the base. 9 Total.

And I need 3 out of that 8 now.

[mikemb]

Picked this one up recently.

Mike

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[ALR-bishop]

A 70 Tovar with a defect was posted above. It can also be found with a recurring black mark below the A in his name

[butchie_t]

I'm looking for the Casey Cox one. I have not come across that one at all.

[ALR-bishop]

Mike your Hiller is more interesting that the one Rookie Parade has up now on ebay

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Mike your Hiller is more interesting that the one Rookie Parade has up now on ebay

And was about $197 cheaper!

Mike

[Elberson]

Found another 67 Topps willie Horton with a bottom right corner break…..there’s another on eBay as described error….so guess not really that rare

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Well Larry,

I think I found just that, another version. Brent's wound is healing nicely.

Brent is gonna bankrupt me before all is said and done.

I think I am up to 8 now by my count. Plus the base. 9 Total.

And I need 3 out of that 8 now.

Figured someone would find another version....nice find.

This Brent card may indeed have more versions than the 69 Gaylord Perry card

[butchie_t]

Just bringing Bob Sebra into this thread where he belongs. I had another thread on this a while a go. Bob, needs to join the group here.

So far a one off. I have not seen another one anywhere.

[wpeters]

I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?

[Northviewcats]

Found this card today in a vending box of 1971 cards.

Best regards,

Joe

[4reals]

Originally Posted by wpeters

I have had these since 1986 when I was opening packs. Two of them a=have a very noticeable gray cast to them. The backs are the same as regular 1986s. Has anyone ever seen this before?

There’s a similar thread as this one in the post 80s forum. You should share it there as well.


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[4reals]

Black border break at top and bottom of portrait.




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[G1911]

"Lefty" Grove comes with or without this mark in the left border. It's a green line with a small red line above it. Most Grove's are found off-center with a thicker left border, but even those not cut properly usually don't have the mark. I don't know the sheet layout but would guess this is probably a mark from the sheet, by a single slot, for part of production. I have only noticed this on the normal cream stock, not the tougher glossy version of the issue (card on the right is the glossy).

[ALR-bishop]

[butchie_t]

Nice looking pack Al.

Very clean!

[ALR-bishop]

The # 80 card cost more than the pack It is on the back of the Grove. Can also be found on the backs of Tinker and Collins. Grove seems to have it more than the other two, but still quite rare. They do not come up very often. Not likely issued at retail, unless maybe a few by mistake. They can be found as unissued proofs or cancelled/cut. There is no Pepper Martin card in the set

[ejstel]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Picked this up for grins

What is this thing! A 1969 topps project Alcaraz card via photoshop?...

If I got that sorting through a lot I'd stop right there with 'my purpose has been served'

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[butchie_t]

Ever since I found Mr. Dingmans list, I have been a variation adding fool.
I recently picked up the following 1971 Topps Bob Johnson's. Two were somewhat expected (left and center) and one, the 50th Anniversary card, was not expected.

Cheers

Butch

[ALR-bishop]

You may be buying some of them from Richard. He is selling a lot of his variants on eBay now. He sells as brightair