Show...me...your print variations!

[ALR-bishop]

There must be an interesting story behind that accumulation

[Tedwilliams1918]

https://vintagebaseballcardvariation...ibextid=Zxz2cZ

[ALR-bishop]

The Mantle back defect is shared with 6 or 7 other cards in the 58 set which were on the same sheet. See post 2334 above. There is also a recurring print defect on the front of the 58 Mantle if you are interested.

Thanks for posting your list. I see some stuff I am not familiar with. Have you been all through this thread ?


By the way, welcome aboard

[Tedwilliams1918]

What’s the print defect/error on the front of 1958 mantle?

[Tedwilliams1918]

1966 Ron santo league spelled leagu

[butchie_t]

Nick, if you have not done this yet. Please take the time to read this entire thread. There is a wealth of goodness throughout the thread. Many, many examples are listed within it.

Cheers,

Butch

[ALR-bishop]

Ted ( is that your first name ?)-this is the scarce but recurring print defect on the front of the 58 Mantle.

Butch is right that if you have the time and inclination going through this thread is an adventure for any serious variant collector. You will find many of the cards on your list and others for those same years

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Ted ( is that your first name ?)-this is the scarce but recurring print defect on the front of the 58 Mantle.

Butch is right that if you have the time and inclination going through this thread is an adventure for any serious variant collector. You will find many of the cards on your list and others for those same years

This thread has really screwed up my want list by putting more cards on it.

We should have made an index when it started, it’s too big of a pain to do now

[mikemb]

Agreed that you should read through the entire thread.

I've done that twice in the past 5 years or so and it was very helpful.

I also will search this thread for a particular year I am focusing on to see what I might need/want to add to my collection.

Mike

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by G1911

This thread has really screwed up my want list by putting more cards on it.

We should have made an index when it started, it’s too big of a pain to do now

Greg,

I would not say that it screwed my list up...but boy howdy has it grown since I have been here.

It is now considered a living document. Never ending, always changing, always getting longer.

Now my allowance account? Yep, sure has screwed that up.

[ALR-bishop]

It is my understanding that Joe who started the thread and still
posts did so with the malicious intent to mess up everyone’s variant want lists. Darren who posted 2nd was obviously in on it. From the 3d poster on we were all just victims.

Another benefit of running through the thread is there are links to other lists and resources for variant collectors

[Tedwilliams1918]

If any of you guys are on Facebook I have a group to join vintage errors variations and master set builders

[Tedwilliams1918]

I still find that the 1958 mantle will become a huge card in the hobby based on how rare it is 1 day

[Tedwilliams1918]

…

[Tedwilliams1918]

I used to hoard these 2 cards like crazy, but have since sold off almost all of them pictured except 7 I think

[ALR-bishop]

That is quite a stash of the Williams and Robinson variations. There is a 55 variation of the Wehmeier card like the Williams.

There is a transition card for the 59 Grammas where the black blob is partially gone.

Hope you are right about the 58 Mantle but am skeptical

[Tedwilliams1918]

Yep, I have 2 wehmeiers with no dot clipped logo asterisk….

Also for 1955 topps removed one of duke sniders dots

And for 1954 topps removed one of duke sniders dots

People have already offered me 3x 4x what I have paid for some of my mantles they are very hard to obtain compared to partial diamond or no dots teds….why I sold most of those off and kept the ones I couldn’t bare to part with

[Tedwilliams1918]

Of all the topps removed dots cards my absolute favorite is ted Williams…that Topps actually looked at it and said those dots are in the wrong spot….but Ted had always said when I was younger I put my dots in the wrong spot to throw off clubhouse signatures……unfortunately there’s enough out there that no premium is added unless Psa ever recognizes it

[ejstel]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Knew there was an explainable reason for this.... guessing I will now need to find a copy of the two I don't have....

If that is Fox in the lower right I have also seen that with heavy yellow vertical per the sheet.

I'll look for it tomorrow.

Best,
Ed

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[Cliff Bowman]

Here are examples of the 1973 Toby Harrah and Nolan Ryan blue ink explosions that are above and under the 1973 Jorge Orta.

[ALR-bishop]

73

[Tedwilliams1918]

Cliff those are really cool they are a prime example of too much water in the ink….. same as my 1966 mantle and 1958 Aaron both posted above…..when ever I see drastic versions of these I buy them!

Also my 1958 obrien pictured too!

[ALR-bishop]

59 Grammas transition

[Tedwilliams1918]

You have all 3!….so you have 1959 Casey wise white mohawk too?

[ALR-bishop]

Yes, and there is a back defect as well. Do you have scans of your 52 Kell, yellow line outside stars, and the 53 Mizell with runs obscured on back

[ALR-bishop]

Wise back

[Tedwilliams1918]

https://youtu.be/B-T9FIrQ4r0

[Tedwilliams1918]

You can dismiss kell as print plate alignment issue
And ashburn as another print bleed

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks. When hit the Mizell link I first thought I was just getting a tutorial on the IRA

[G1911]

I did not know about the Mizell. Good stuff

[Northviewcats]

I am familiar with the Milton Bradley back color variation on game cards between 7-195, but did Topps also use different color stock on higher numbers?

I appreciate any comments.

Thanks,

Joe

[ALR-bishop]

Yes, lots of back color differences in 68 and as a result you need to know the MB checklist because some sellers mistakenly offer non MB cards for sale as MBs based on back colors alone.

Greg is our resident back stock/ color difference guy

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Northviewcats

I am familiar with the Milton Bradley back color variation on game cards between 7-195, but did Topps also use different color stock on higher numbers?

I appreciate any comments.

Thanks,

Joe

Yes, they did. The same stark difference in color when looking at a bunch of backs that you see when MBs appear in groups of low number cards.

[ALR-bishop]

Another resident expert

[G1911]

68's have at least four different stocks, not all of which exist in each series. In addition to the differences in the yellowy tone of the back, the white areas show signs of multiple stocks as well, some of which are much brighter than the creamier ones.

I don't know what was happening in 68. The 2 series football issue that year has a white back and, I think 4 different versions of a cream back, all of which occur in both it's series.

By 1969, Topps back is just a couple stocks again, like normal.

I have a hard time telling the backs apart in scans that are less than perfect with my crappy eyes, so I haven't tried to do the set in each stock.

In hand, genuine MB's are very different from the lighter/yellower stocks of the Topps issue, the lightest of which was not used during the first 2 series anyways.

[frankhardy]

As of this moment....

It is now illegal to post any more St Louis Cardinals variations.

Thank you for your adherence to this new statute and regulation.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

As of this moment....

It is now illegal to post any more St Louis Cardinals variations.

Thank you for your adherence to this new statute and regulation.

You know what to do guys, check all your Cardinals cards very carefully

[ALR-bishop]

If you post a new variant Cardinal have the decency to let Shane know not to look in the thread until we move to the next page

[frankhardy]

Somehow I knew you guys would be compliant to the new ordinance.

[ejstel]

Originally Posted by ejstel

If that is Fox in the lower right I have also seen that with heavy yellow vertical per the sheet.

I'll look for it tomorrow.

Best,
Ed

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Fox with yellow name smear and a few others...also an extra blue hunt.

Best,
Ed

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[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ejstel

Fox with yellow name smear and a few others...also an extra blue hunt.

Best,
Ed

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Nice group, here are a few I have found over the years. Wonder if any ambitions person has ever tried to complete a "color over-run" set?

[ALR-bishop]

I wonder if some recurring variant can be found for every pre 1990
Topps card if one looks long enough

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I wonder if some recurring variant can be found for every pre 1990
Topps card if one looks long enough

Yes. And we will find them all

[Tedwilliams1918]

Probably but there’s a difference in finding a re occurring print blob the size of a pen dot…..some I find more important than others I did a write up on the story of 1955 Ted Williams and why I believe topps removed the dots
https://vintagebaseballcardvariation...ibextid=Zxz2cZ

[ALR-bishop]

A fellow collector, Doug Goodman, used to refer to smaller print defects as glorified print dots and he felt them unworthy ( he was not referring to missing or present dotted i type differences in facsimile autos)

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes. And we will find them all

..... With the exception of St Louis Cardinals!

[Tedwilliams1918]

Here’s another discovery of mine but something tells me you guys are already ahead of me and know of this card

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Tedwilliams1918

Here’s another discovery of mine but something tells me you guys are already ahead of me and know of this card

New one on me, but COMC acknowledges it.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Ted, but you just violated Shane's recently promulgated law

[G1911]

I would like to take this moment to apologize to Shane for my past behavior and conduct in discussing variations on cards of players who played for the Cardinals. It is with a heavy heart and great regret for my past conduct that I stand here today, taking responsibility for my cruel and thoughtless actions. Not only did I participate in discussions about variants on Cardinals cards, I went even further into transgression and occasionally shared a new one. I hope that I may some day be forgiven, if not in my time on Earth, then in the next life, but forgiveness is not needed for me to take ownership and admit to the shameful sin I have committed. It will never, ever happen again, maybe. Shane, definitely don’t look at post #2,397.