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Old 09-13-2007, 07:27 AM
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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}

A buyer's premium on ebay? Now I think I have seen it all. Rob http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/090113-MICKEY-MANTLE-POST-CEREAL-COLORED-PRINT-AD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ28221QQihZ006QQitemZ 160154699326QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

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Old 09-13-2007, 07:36 AM
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Posted By: Steve Murrray

Why would anyone participate in these auctions. Arrange own shipping?? Outrageous BP. PP descriptions. Pickup and they charge sales tax. Gimmie a break.

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Old 09-13-2007, 07:40 AM
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Posted By: joe

This a major auction house based in Detroit Michigan. Most likely there is a catalog and live auction for these items, besides ebay. Not saying this is right, but I have seen other auction houses do the same thing.

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Posted By: Mark T

This Cobb Sporting Life periodical print for sale....is it me or is this piece look fake.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:11 AM
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Posted By: leon

That Cobby isn't even a good looking fake. Very poor looking fake, at best. BTW, I have never seen a seller with over 1000 feedback, though I am sure there are some, with this low of a feedback rating.....horrible.....My guess is they are dealing with so many complaints they don't have time to do anything right....



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Old 09-13-2007, 08:30 AM
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Posted By: barrysloate

I know DuMouchelles well...in 1991, they had the greatest rare baseball book collection this hobby has ever seen, and they didn't have a clue what anything was. They had books worth $5000 that had estimates of $50. But everyone found out about it and the auction has become part of hobby folklore. Nobody has a clue why that fabulous collection was consigned to them; they didn't even know how to write up the lots, other than to pretty much just list the title. It was amazing.

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Old 09-13-2007, 09:51 AM
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Posted By: Craig

The w600 is a fake. I called yesterday to request scans of the front and back and they refused. They also refused any kind of return policy. All items are sold as is I was told. I was put on hold while an employee agreed to descibe the Cobb over the phone. It is printed on one piece of fake aged cardboard. There is no mount seperate from the photo.
How can an auction house be allowed to sell forgeries, claim ignorance and not allow returns? Sounds like some one should contact the attorney general's office in Michigan

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Old 09-13-2007, 09:57 AM
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Posted By: barrysloate

Here is a story about DuMouchelle's, and it is so preposterous that even after you hear it you will have a hard time believing it.

When they had their famous book auction in 1991, they also had a T206 Wagner with the collection that they displayed prominently on the cover of the catalog. As fake Wagners go, this one was a really bad fake. It looked as bad as a fake could be possibly look. It sold for $1400.

After the auction I believe Corey Shanus called them and told them the card was no good and that they had no right to sell it for anything. Their response has to go in the pantheon of great hobby quotes:

"We know the card isn't real, and so does the winning bidder, but he doesn't care."

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Old 09-13-2007, 10:07 AM
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:43 AM
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Posted By: Anonymous

I won a lot from a u-pick-u-ship auctioneer once and it was a real travail trying to get the cards to me. It was costly, they were damaged by an untrained shipper, it took a long time. In short, not a fun experience in that regard.

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Posted By: TONY

I just sent them a nice email telling where they can place their buyers premium

Is it just me but are auction houses becoming the biggest ripoffs in collectibles?

ridiculous buyers premiums

no return privileges

sold as is

on & on

makes me ill

then other dealers see what they are getting away with & they join in the insanity

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I have no idea where it will all end up. Frankly, ebay looks better and better.

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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

A minor infraction in their panoply of questionable practices I suppose - they've listed in the PSA-graded subcateory.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I bid on the ebay Live auctions often and the only time I've ever had a problem is with an auction "house" that makes you arrange for your own shipping. I won a lot of photographs, baseball hand fan and a nineteenth century baseball book...it took more than a week to get an invoice from the auction house and when I called I could only get their answering machine...they would not return my call. Finally after two weeks I got an invoice and a phone number to arrange shipping...I first had to pay the auctioneer and I was supposed to pay the shipping to the guy who shipped it. So I called the shipper and he said he was holding up a mirror and could I call him back in 15 minutes....I called him back and he said he was in his car on his way to Florida and that he would stop off at the next stop and call me for my info and when he got back he would ship my items off to me and then I could just pay him when I get it. So about a month later my package arrived packed in a box not meant for shipping with a bill for $30. It cost him about $7 to ship UPS and he obviously paid nothing for the newspaper and box he shipped the stuff in. That's not the worst part though because there were no photos and the book was only just the front and back cover with the "book" gone. I tried in vain to contact the auction house, but they would never return my calls so I gave a negative feedback. About a week or so later the "Shipper" called me and asked where his $30 was and I told him about my problems and that if he wanted his money he would contact the auction house and have them contact me to work out the problems. He never did and I never paid him. One day while googling this auction house I noticed that their local antique newspaper did a glowing article on the auctioneer so I contacted the newspaper with my story and shortly after that I got an email from the auctioneer apologizing and they sent me a refund.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

The auction houses get away with murder for one reason: they can. Obvious shilling, false authentication, bad conflicts of interest, PSA cert numbers changed, doctored catalogue pictures -- the list could go on and on. At some point a major house will get closed down by the government and its principles arrested; this will surely chill the auction business for, say, an hour or two. After all, you've got one auction house run by a guy who can lie to your face and steal millions -- you think a little shill bidding would bother him? Or a criminal investigaiton?

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