Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What's even more pathetic are people who ignorantly post numbers to "prove" their point when the totality of those numbers prove the opposite of their point.

According to the article in the above link, 11,824,449 people in Ontario are above 5 years of age. Based on their percentages (80.55% fully vaccinated, 84.39% fully or partially vaccinated, and 15.61% unvaccinated), 9,524,594 people are fully vaccinated, 9,978,653 are partially vaccinated and 2,299,855 are not vaccinated. According to the numbers provided, 499 of the vaccinated recently got covid, 25 of the partially vaccinated got covid, and 469 of the unvaccinated got covid. In other words, 0.0052% of the fully vaccinated got covid, 0.0055% of the partially vaccinated got covid, and 0.025% of the unvaccinated people got covid. What that means is that if you are unvaccinated, you are 4.85 times more likely to get covid than if you are fully vaccinated and 4.84 times more likely to get covid than if you are fully or partially vaccinated.

And, based on the article, the unvaccinated are 14 times more likely to end up in the ICU versus the fully vaccinated. Those who are partially vaccinated are 3.5 times more likely to end up in the ICU versus the fully vaccinated.

So yeah, keep drinking the Kool-Aid or stay ignorant, whichever the case may be that allows you to think that the article YOU cited shows the vaccines don’t work. “Like anyone with a brain can see,” the article shows that the vaccines ARE working.

Hahaha nice rationalization

The vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING. What's so hard for you to grasp???

Vaccine - a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Immunity - the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.

Keep living in your tiny percentages lol

If the vaccine isn't stopping COVID....it's NOT a vaccine. Use common fucking sense

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Hahaha nice rationalization

No rationalization. Just basic, common math. Something you’re apparently not familiar with.

Originally Posted by Huysmans

The vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING. What's so hard for you to grasp???

What’s so hard for me to grasp??? How anyone could be so willfully ignorant. According to the figures Irv so graciously provided for us, if every person in Ontario contracted covid at the same rate the unvaccinated did, an additional 2,011 people would have contracted covid. That means 2,011 people did not contract covid because of the vaccine. Your statement, “the vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING” is flat out WRONG.

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Vaccine - a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Immunity - the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.

Keep living in your tiny percentages lol

If the vaccine isn't stopping COVID....it's NOT a vaccine. Use common fucking sense

See above. The vaccine IS stopping people from getting covid.

Common sense, something else you’re apparently not familiar with.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What’s so hard for me to grasp??? How anyone could be so willfully ignorant. According to the figures Irv so graciously provided for us, if every person in Ontario contracted covid at the same rate the unvaccinated did, an additional 2,011 people would have contracted covid. That means 2,011 people did not contract covid because of the vaccine. Your statement, “the vaccine DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING” is flat out WRONG.
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I believe the point he is making (albeit badly) is that vaccines aren't, in a sense, a prophylactic. Vaccines work by training the immune system to develop an antibody response to the disease. This response may keep the person from developing the disease altogether, which obviously leads to the difference in infection rates you noted in your previous post.

However, while the immune response may not prevent some from the developing the disease anyways, it does help mitigate the severity (and mortality) of the disease. And there is significant information available from healthcare organizations to back this up. It is this latter case that folks who don't understand the science throw up as some sort of argument that vaccines don't work. They start with a nominally true statement and run with it to whatever their predetermined conclusion is.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I believe the point he is making (albeit badly) is that vaccines aren't, in a sense, a prophylactic. Vaccines work by training the immune system to develop an antibody response to the disease. This response may keep the person from developing the disease altogether, which obviously leads to the difference in infection rates you noted in your previous post.

However, while the immune response may not prevent some from the developing the disease anyways, it does help mitigate the severity (and mortality) of the disease. And there is significant information available from healthcare organizations to back this up. It is this latter case that folks who don't understand the science throw up as some sort of argument that vaccines don't work. They start with a nominally true statement and run with it to whatever their predetermined conclusion is.

I'm not sure I get your point. In his post, he didn't start with "a nominally true statement." He started with a demonstrably false statement/claim (I agree with you that he does claim that the vaccine isn't 100% effective). I disproved that claim with the data Irv was so generous to provide. And even though I'm not a doctor and I haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in a long while, I do know the purpose of vaccines, generally how they work, and the fact that no one in their right mind claims they are 100% effective. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.

Maybe I didn't get your point because I was too busy patting myself on the back for ignoring the idiocy that follows from his post. For instance, do you think he wears seatbelts? After all, seatbelts don't prevent injury or death in 100% of the people who wear them, so why wear them according to his "logic"?

[irv]

Is everyone all distracted by the Russia/Ukraine war and forgot all about this?

No worries, nothing to see here. Just more strawman arguments and conspiracy theories is all.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads...LCPvz26CjLr8JE

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...XKtarSJCjXWbnY

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...YDKsav3rzO2SYM

And people didn't batt an eye when Pfizer wanted this information hidden for 55yrs then requested another 20 taking it to 75 yrs.

[Kzoo]

Poof....Russia destroyed the Covid narrative. The upcoming mid-terms helped out, as well.

[Republicaninmass]

It's not even worth "debating" anymore. Both sides are sure they were right and refuse to anything that might be in the middle. Anyhow glad its over