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the "Who's greater" debate
Cy Young, Mathewson & Johnson have somany Wins, and their win/loss percentage is so high, they must be greater than, say, Nolan Ryan.
Hmmm. Not so fast. Physiologically, Young, Matty & Johnson DID NOT have superior arms vs. Ryan (or Seaver, or Carlton, or Randy Johnson, etc). So how did Cy Young amass over 500 wins? Simple - he was able to "save" his arm by not having to use his best stuff to get out a lot of hitters. If Cy Young pitched today, he ABSOLUTELY needs to be hurling his best stuff to all hitters, at all times. He would be crushed if he "laid off" like he was able to do around 1900. The overall talent level in modern times is so very much closer than ever before. Conclusion: Stats can start to tell a tale of greatness. But stats can only go so far. Be careful to not read too much into stats. Use Bill James cautiously - as a general guide. How many no-hitters would Nolan Ryan had if he played in the dead ball era? Wow, boggles the mind! |
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I agree, you cannot compare stats from different eras. Baseball fundamentally is the same, but the game is so much more technical today. it is different in that aspect, and it goes for any sport. Changes in equipment, science, player preparation, etc is all different.
Back in the day, guys would drink and smoke in the dugout! We can all sit back and wonder .. What if?? but we will never truly know.
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actually, the game is fundamentally very different
than it was during the constructive years...
gloves weren't used, a ball could bounce through the strike zone, and the number of balls and strikes moved around over the years. Heck, if I recall correctly what I've read, there was a time where it took nine balls to walk a batter, and a hitter could be called out if a foul ball was caught after one bounce! I don't think you can even begin to compare the stats of players from different eras...it's nonsensical logic if the eras are far enough apart.
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when i figure out what Jason said, i will probably agree! lol
Im not too up on the history so i was unaware the balls, strikes and bounces rules. I do remember the sucky kids used to get 5 strikes in gym class! Does that count?
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LOL! Maybe that was just the US/Canadian exchange rate back then?????
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I used to play "rounders" when I did Civil War reenacting. Yeah, in the 1860's you could catch a hit ball on the first bounce and it was still considered an out. You could also "soak" someone; throw the ball at your opponent and hit them for the out. Does anyone know when these two things disappeared from the rules?
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