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Posted By: Bobby
Just entering auction results and very surprised by the results for the 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax #302. 2 months ago a PSA 9 sold in Mastro for $44,110.70 and just the other day Andy Madec sold a PSA 9 for $78,086.10 |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bobby- I agree it is insane. People have too much money to throw around. |
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Posted By: JK
I think it has everything to do with the psa set registry and nothing to do with actual value. |
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Posted By: dennis
guess #1)it's in the semi-high #'s which in the "57 topps is like the high #'s in their other sets. so it is harder to find. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
If you took 9 high end 8s and that 9, cracked them out and lined them up, what percentage of people would accurately pick out the 9 do you think? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Probably none. That's why it's insane. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
10 percent would probably randomly get it right, but even with a loupe I bet it wouldn't be much higher than that. |
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Posted By: dennis
line up 9 8's and that 9 and keep the cards in the plastic slabs (just hide the grade)and i bet no one could pick out the 9. maybe mr mint rosen |
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Posted By: barrysloate
It would take him ten guesses (sorry, I counted wrong). |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Mr Mint would know a mint card if he cut himself with the corner of one. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
The cards have not appeared on the PSA Registry either for the 1957 Topps set or the Koufax Player Set. I suspect the winners are Dodger/Koufax fans with crazy money. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I think the Koufax 57 card is also one of PSA's Top 200 Sportscards. Why? I have no clue as it's not his rookie and not a card from a year in which he was dominant. |
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Posted By: anthony
who's sandy koufax? did she play in "a league of their own"? |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
There is no getting away from Topps. They keep coming on stronger and stronger. They are a big part of almost every auction. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
During the 1960's Koufax was just about the best in the NL. He and Don Drysdale |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yes, the last Brooklyn card of him is significant, I suppose, but Koufax was not much of a pitcher then. I think his 55 Topps rookie card is spectacular, however, and is one of my favorite cards despite its easy availability. Of my 55 high grade set, this card is by far my favorite. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The 1955 Topps Koufax was nicknamed the "Bar Mitzvah" card because Koufax looks not much older than 13 in the picture. The 57 card is from the scarce number series and the set is a classic. That said, the price is still insane. Gil, I love the early Topps sets- the 52 and 53, the 57, even like 58 and 63. But I've never really developed a customer base, so I don't really pursue them. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
In a Brooklyn uniform, Koufax lacked control (very similar to another New York pitcher....Nolan Ryan). |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
The 9 is definitely worth 70 times as much as this one. |
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Posted By: edacra
The real test would be to see if the PSA graders could spot the 9 twice in a row. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ted, I did--it was waiting for me at my old apt (just moved a few blocks away in NYC). Really wonderfully done, very well-thought out and informative. I also appreciated the anecdotal comments about the flavor of the Leaf gum v. Bowman and the reasoning why you believe there are so many high-end Ruths out there. Old Cardboard is such a great magazine because it allows for long articles about such esoteric (but significant) issues. I got my SMR in the mail today and nearly puked in comparison. I really don't need a multi-page story about Ryan Howard. I only wish Old Cardboard came out monthly and was bigger. |
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Posted By: WP
Whats a 10 worth? |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
an infinite amount |
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Posted By: peter chao
Gentlemen, |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: T E
I think there has been a surge in prices for Koufax over past couple of years. No proof of that, just my annecdotal experiences. |
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Posted By: bruce Dorskind
Imagine, for a moment a PSA 9 card of Mickey Mantlebaum in PSA 9 |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Exactly Bruce. Its increasingly a bifurcated income world. Wall Street bonuses up 25%--hedgies making mega-bucks. Market near all time high--ipo market healthy. Money rolling in for oil and gas guys. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Thanks Jim. Larry Robbins and I have been neck and neck on this set for 2 years. While having the PSA 9 Sandy would be nice, I could spend that same amount on other cards and actually be .11 ahead of him! |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Go Frank Go--I'm cheering for you. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Koufax's autograph is one of the most expensive for a living retired player. More expensive than Nolan Ryan, Cal Ripken, Willie Mays, etc. |
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Posted By: Mark
a waste of money....so many other cards to be had at a fraction of a fraction of cost. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Given that this is not the first Koufax that has traded at high prices and that others are bidding the price up there could be several "idiots" under this line of thinking. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
There can be more than one idiot. Ever heard of a "Ship of Fools"? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
David, |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Outside of card and related areas of collecting, the paying of a small fortune for something, anything, due to the lack of a miniscule wrinkle or edge touch would be considered sign of a mental problem that may require medical treatment. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
$44,00 isn't a small fortune to some people--I think all popular collectibles have a big spike up in value for high end stuff. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I understand both David and Jim's point of view. Here is mine (and we've been through this a hundred times): If you had $200 to spend, you could probably buy a presentable 57 Koufax; if you had $500 to spend, you could probably upgrade to a very nice copy; and if you augmented that to $1000, you could probably buy an extremely nice looking example. And that's why it's difficult to see what that extra $44K or $78K gets you except the bragging rights that yours is better than everybody else's. To some that is important, while others couldn't care less. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My concern isn't as an appraiser, Barry, but as a mental health specialist. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
David, I feel your pain |
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Posted By: Josh Wolf
Hopefully, we're back to reality: |
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Posted By: peter chao
Josh, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
To some it is a hobby of relaxation.....to others it is a competition. I really don't care what people spend their own money on...it is afterall their money. Some people have to have a bigger yacht...some have to get the new Escalade every year. People like me enjoy the hobby for relaxation purposes...it is also fun to study the history of the players that appear on these tiny pieces of cardboard. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
I guarantee someones already tried to come up with a way to bribe a grader. But anyways, to me price is abtstract in this market. Its the collector who assigns value to any card or other antique, we set the market, as a whole. The problem with spending enormous amounts on a psa 9 which is 1of1 though is that others may be graded psa 9, or even 10. Then your cards inflated worth is brought down to reality. I dont know if that had to do with that 62 Koufax or not. Remember the first BGS 9.5 Jordan rc? A buyer paid tens of thousands for it when it was the only one, now its worth a small fraction of its original price tag. |
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Posted By: Bobby
Josh, |
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Posted By: Josh Wolf
Bobby, |
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Posted By: Bobby
My bad just assumed we where talking about the 57 should have read your post more thouroughly |
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Posted By: peter chao
Bobby, |
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