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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Dave
According to T206museum.com these are the approximate multipliers for the follwing rare backs...yes, I know you can't necessarily go by these numbers at all....am curious though with the numbers the site has what any collector of the following backs have noticed more recently...prices up? down? |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Lee
Dave, |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Dave
Interesting...based on that...a typical common Drum 350 in a PSA 1 or SGC 10 you'd have no problem in saying the average price of a sale for such would be $1,500? |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Lee
PSA 1 common to me is $15, I usually hold out for bargains...I have never paid more than $20 for a PSA 1 common with a common back. $25 is PSA 2 territory. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
assuming a g-vg t206 common goes for $30 graded...I'd venture the following: |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
you guys can figure out the multipliers, but here is my 2 cents...just a few examples. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
me thinks we're pretty close. |
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Posted By: Lee
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Posted By: peter ullman
sorry lee...just a teaser as I have only 1 left! The 3 finger Brown...the others should reside on the board. |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Lee
Pete, no prob. I already have 2 red hindu, but they both have a good amount of back damage. I'm looking to upgrade... |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: cn
About a month ago I picked up a SGC 40 Uzit Crawford batting for a little under $2000. I think it was a fair price as I have not seen many Uzit cards in this condition let alone a Hofer.CN |
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Posted By: Dave
So would you guys personally spend more on a PSA 1 Broadleaf 460 or a Brown Hindu? |
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Posted By: peter ullman
r u joking dave? 1 bl 460 = 20-25 brown hindu's? |
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Posted By: Dave
Pete, I just noticed that...ha ha...I meant one Broadleaf 460 or one Brown Lenox |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Sean
Dave, |
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Posted By: Lee
I would pay much more for a BL 460, hands down! |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
BL 460 anyday... |
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Posted By: Dave
Lee....is it because you feel Broadleaf 460's are that much more rare to pop up or because you just like the design of the back better? I haven't seen where brown lenox's are any more common. |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Dylan
Out of all the backs its speculated that the two rarest are the Southern League Old Mill factory 649 overprints(even rarer then the controversial Ty Cobb "King of the smoking world" back). Has anyone here on the board owned one, or atleast seen one? I've never seen a value multiplier listed for them anywhere, so obviously these rarely come to auction. Any estimates what there value is, can anyone post a scan, or any info on previous sales? |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i have always viewed the over print Old Mills, as printing freaks... |
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Posted By: Dave
When it comes to the rare backs...the Lenox's and Old Mill's with the brown lettering, I know there is a big debate with Lenox's being brown or faded black..is there the same debate with the Southern Old Mill's or are they more easily recogonized as a brown? If anybody has a brown Lenox or brown southern old mill I'd love to see them posted. With SGC and PSA as well now putting the back label on the front of the card do either actully note on the card's label "Brown Lenox" or just "Lenox"? |
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Posted By: peter ullman
there was a brown lenox backk on ebay this past year and head to head photos of the black vs brown backs were displayed and this topic debated. I DO believe the brown lenox back is brown...and not faded black but would pay more for a bl 460...personally. |
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Posted By: Lee
Dave, |
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Posted By: brian
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Posted By: Kevin
Be very cautious and give it a good inspection...black can be changed into any shade of brown, it's been done. Black, on the other hand, is a secure color. |
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Posted By: JimB
I would take a brown Lenox over BL46o. |
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Posted By: H Murphy
Would love to eventually purchase a B L 460! |
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Posted By: Dave
Are you aware of SGC or PSA either one actually put on the label insert "brown" or just lenox or old mill? |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Lee
I too am looking for a BL 460 to buy. I almost bought the back damaged one on eBay last year for over a grand. This price was a bit steep for the terrible condition, but I have not seen one for sale since (approx. 6 months). Last year there may have been one in an auction house in the last 6 months of 2006, but I did not catch it. I know last year (I think), Huggins and Scott sold a group of BL 460, 350, and a red hindu that now resides on cardtarget.com |
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Posted By: Lee
Dave, |
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Posted By: Dave
I guess what would worry me is even going on Brian's advice that there are definately browns, if PSA doesn't label a card as such I wonder how many faded blacks are sold as browns? |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: Scot Reader
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Posted By: brian
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i have been actively looking for a Broad Leaf 460, and even posted a "want-ad" in the BST with ZERO responses... |
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Posted By: Scot Reader
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Posted By: Jim Rivera
Dave, |
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Posted By: Dave
yes would be very interested to see the scan of your brown lenox. I'm really hardly a true rare back collector....money plays a part. I am in the middle of a transaction from a board member for my first lenox back..but not a brown. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
Hi Scot, |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Maybe you just have to hold one to notice the differance..or maybe my eyes are just that bad. Here is a scan of the card on the way from Tom B to me. To me a "faded" black doesn't look much differant..maybe one of you guys with 20/20 vision will think differant. |
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: MVSNYC
sorry guys, my computer is not loading these scans...can you guys attach them as links? |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Sent email with attachment Michael |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i hate to be the big skeptic here, but i really think it's gotta be faded... |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
well, guess what guys? i just recieved a few scans from Brian...i'll be...for the first time, i am really considering that it just might be a real brown ink variation. this goes against all of my other posts regarding this subject, but it really does not just look like faded black... |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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T206 rare backs...currently speaking..
Posted By: MVSNYC
brian- thanks, i'll email you |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I have to say it doesn't look faded...it looks brown! |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i found this old thread...it speaks about brown old mills, overprints, etc...can anyone post pics of the old mill overprints (double overprints)? thanks. |
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