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Old 08-13-2022, 10:16 PM
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Default Who are your top 5 players who are not in the MLB HOF who played in the 19th century?

Who are your top 5 players who are not in the MLB HOF who played in the 19th century?

1. Jim McCormick – 265 Wins, 2.43 ERA, 2x ERA Titles, 76.2 WAR

2. Bill Dahlen – 75.2 WAR, 2461 Hits

3. Paul Hines – 1st Triple Crown Winner, 1st Unassisted Triple Play, 2 batting titles, 2133 Hits

4. Lave Cross – 2651 Hits, one of the greatest defensive 3B of his era, also one hell of a catcher in his early years

5. Tony Mullane – 284 Wins, 3.05 ERA, 1st ambidextrous pitcher, 66.6 WAR, most Wild Pitches with 343

Honorable Mention Position Player: Jack Glasscock – 2041 Hits, 61.6 WAR, 1 batting title, one of the greatest defensive SS of his era

Honorable Mention Pitcher: Bobby Mathews - 297 Wins, 2.86 ERA, 55.1 WAR


That was a tough list to narrow down, but I do believe that all would be well deserving of a spot in Cooperstown.
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Old 08-13-2022, 10:29 PM
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My list:

Harry Stovey - One of the first real five tool players. An offensive beast.

Bob Caruthers - Ohtani of his day. In 1887 he won 29 games, pitched 341 innings and also managed to bat 357 with 8 homers and 73 rbi's,

Tip O'Neill - Forgotten triple crown winner

Jack Glasscock - Crime he isn't in.

Gus Weyhing - Won 30 games 4 years in a row and is still the all time leader in hit batsmen.
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Old 08-13-2022, 10:32 PM
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Great list! I agree with all of those and Caruthers was close on my list.
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#1 Jim Creighton
#2 Ross Barnes

These guys are far and away the Hall’s biggest omissions in my eyes. The gap between them and the others is huge. Neither of them is getting in any time soon. There’s 15-20 guys I think are worthy of very serious consideration, and all of them are fairly close, I think.

#3 Bob Caruthers
#4 Bill Dahlen
#5 Jack Glasscock
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some great list guys
and heard to argue with the facts listed
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Chicks dig the long ball. Ned Williamson
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Chicks dig the long ball. Ned Williamson
I am SO with you on this one! In all seriousness though, Williamson was one of the best defensive 3B of that era. Jim O'Rourke, Paul Hines, and Cap Anson all said he was the greatest player they had ever seen.
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Great names listed so far. I'll put in a vote for Charlie Buffinton–perhaps not a HOF career, but he was pretty great for a stretch. King Kelly praised him as "a young fellow who pitches a pretty stiff game of ball". His 1884 stat line is ridiculous! 48-16, 2.15 ERA, 587 IP (!), 417 K (6th most all time).
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Moses Fleetwood Walker.......


.....and put his plaque right next to Cap Anson.
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Buffinton! Yes.

Moses Fleetwood Walker, without question. And I agree, just above Cap Anson's would be perfect.
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I'm going to second the nominations of Creighton and Barnes. They're not in because neither meets the Hall's played-in-10-seasons requirement. But Creighton was the first big baseball star, and Barnes was the first big star of professional ball. (Or at least professional league ball.)
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The 10 year requirement seems particularly unfair to Creighton, as he was dead before any league counted as a major league even existed. As baseballs first star and the man largely responsible for turning the game from one of offense versus defense into one primarily of batter versus pitcher, he seems like a no brainer. I get that inducting long dead and forgotten guys that don’t serve a modern purpose doesn’t make the hall money and draws crowds, but I’d like to see them honor these two pioneers eventually.
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Lipman Pike and Tommy Bond
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Not going to post stats etc. But growing up in the 70's and 80's this guy was without a doubt one of the Superstars that anyone from that time period would think he's a no-brainer (stats aren't off the charts but he was HUGE). Steve Garvey! Now I'm a Phillies guy, couldn't stand the Dodgers. Whoops.....wrong century, apologies.

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Great lists, everyone. I really like it where baseball autographs and baseball history intersect. Sorry I'm so late to the thread.

A few years ago I launched a baseball history website that's built around autographs. Below are signatures of Harry Stovey and Gus Weyhing. Stovey's page can be accessed here; Weyhing's here.

Bill Dahlen has a page. So does Jack Glasscock. I almost forgot Ross Barnes and Tommy Bond.

The 19th century stuff is all so fascinating. This is really a neat thread. It's tough to find a place to share the interest of 1800s baseball. Glad to join you in this...
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Great lists, everyone. I really like it where baseball autographs and baseball history intersect. Sorry I'm so late to the thread.

A few years ago I launched a baseball history website that's built around autographs. Below are signatures of Harry Stovey and Gus Weyhing. Stovey's page can be accessed here; Weyhing's here.

Bill Dahlen has a page. So does Jack Glasscock. I almost forgot Ross Barnes and Tommy Bond.

The 19th century stuff is all so fascinating. This is really a neat thread. It's tough to find a place to share the interest of 1800s baseball. Glad to join you in this...
WOW!!!!!

Incredible! Thank you for sharing those autos. I agree, 19th century is the most fascinating era of baseball by a long shot.
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