19th century poster advertising Goodwin's 19th century baseball cards

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Posted By: Jimmy

I have to say this was a nice story, which is why I still keep looking. When REA auctions off the Cracker Jack poster and Lelands turns this one over to auction, when do you think we will see items like this again? they just do not come around much - link below

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/latest-sports-collecting-news/rare-baseball-advertising-poster-found.html

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Posted By: barrysloate

That's a big time find.

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

One of the fun things about collecting is that you never know what will turn up and when. Yes this poster is a terrific item and very rare, as is the Cracker Jack poster in REA. But I don't think for a minute great finds (be it memorabilia or cards) will not from time to time continue to turn up.

In regard to the Round Album poster, it is described as "as one of a kind piece as the two others known are both a different format." That confuuses me a bit because assuming it is a stone lithograph (which I believe to be the case), how could there be variation in the plate from which it is printed? Can anybody describe the variation referred to?

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Posted By: barrysloate

I was wodering that too. Does anyone have a picture of the others that have sold in auction? The one Sotheby's sold in the 1990's is on their cover but I do not have access to my catalog at the moment.

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

Barry,

One is pictured in the Old Judge book written by what's their names.

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Posted By: barrysloate

It's back in Brooklyn

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Posted By: JimB

Wow! Phenomenal piece!
JimB

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Posted By: Jimmy

My only guess to your question is that maybe the posters were produced at different factories or maybe in different parts of the country. The last time the Cracker Jack poster surfaced was 20 years ago, so you just do not see similar items often. I agree that every year something comes up; if I had a choice I would want the Cracker Jack poster more than the Honus Wagner T206 card.

Jimmy

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Now this is the kind of item you dream about finding...I wonder how much they paid for it?

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Posted By: leon

That is simply one awesome Goodwin's ad piece. I have to admit that display pieces can actually bring more enjoyment (to me) than cards as they can be, well, displayed. Every time I walk into my office I see my 1903 Horner Composite. Many times I will just stand there staring at it like some crazy person. Also, when I walk into my little office I see some other ad pieces and displays....like this one...found on ebay several years ago. I had 2 and sold the other one to a board member...It sort of fits in since it does advertise the unpopular DogsHead brand..."Unpopular" is my thought on them since the associated cards and display pieces are quite scarce in relation to some other Goodwin products.....

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

Jimmy,

I have never seen a variation in a stone litho poster. And comparing this one to the one pictured in the Old Judge book, maybe I'm overlooking something but I don't see it here either. Can anybody describe what the variation is?

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Posted By: What's His Name

Corey--Check the color of the word "Album" (blue in book, maroon here). Other than that (and the fact that the metal hangar brackets are in this piece) I see no difference.

Love and Kisses---Jay

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

Thanks Jay. You've got better eyes than I, though not sure I would get too carried away in characterizing that as a variation (any more than a color-variation in a T206 would be characterized as such).

EDITED for grammar because Sloate is on this thread

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Posted By: What's His Name

Agree

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Posted By: barrysloate

Having the original hanger is kind of cool. Even though we think of advertising pieces such as this as posters, they are really banners. And a banner would be more likely to hang on a wall (I think).

Corey- I just spelled "hanger" wrong but looked it up before I posted. Everybody is watching me.

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

Those metal hangers are common with N29 posters.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Common with N29 posters? How many have you seen?

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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus

I can think of at least three N29 posters that have those hangers. In fact, to go further, I'm trying to think of one that doesn't. John Kasmanian has a beautiful one which is pictured in his book. That was not one of three I can visualize with hangers. I'd be curious to see if his has them.

Interestingly I can't think of a single N28 poster that has those hangers. Probably that is why you usually see those posters in much rougher condition than N29s.

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Posted By: What's His Name

The Old Judge smoking head posters all are hangars too. I agree that hangars were quite common during this period.

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Posted By: 1880nonsports

added stability and a bit of weight to allow the banners to be hung and seen. They appear to have been used here from the mid 1880's to the turn of the century - while I have seen foreign examples dating well into the 1930's utilizing strips. The "N29" banner is RARE and I imagine the known population to be under 5 - so not sure how much one is able to make assumptions. Most if not all of the tobacco banners meant to freehang had strips. A few of the banners were nestled into self-advertising frames - unsure if the strips were removed for the display or just never attached. The Indians banner comes to mind.........

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Posted By: Jimmy

I have seen similar non sports hangers (posters) at live auctions over the years, but not too many baseball ones. I would think by now any of these type hangers have not survived baseball or non sports examples. My understanding, the type hanger we are looking at would most likely display right on the wall next to the tobacco products. Advertisements near windows would be much thicker probably some kind of cardboard.


Jimmy

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Posted By: barrysloate

My guess is the N28 banner/poster was not made with a hanger.

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Posted By: Jerry Spillman

Here is a picture I took of a Goodwin Round Album Poster as it was held down by the owner/dealer Joe (Vito)? from Connecticut. Joe had this poster at a NSCC many years ago.

These point-of-sale paper posters were made with thin brass strips on the top and bottom. As shown in this picture the top strip is missing.

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Posted By: Jimmy

was the one above ever sold or does the owner still have it, thanks for showing the picture - some great history

Jimmy