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Old 09-03-2020, 05:50 PM
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I ran across the 65 Glenn Beckert ink print error on eBay when I looked up 'Topps print flaw' listings, and I noticed that the card below it was also affected. Thanks to the 65 high number sheet scan that Kevvyg1026 posted on another thread I could see that it is Ron Taylor and luckily I found one on eBay. It is recurring because someone else just bought a 65 Beckert ink print error on eBay.
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1956 Topps - [Base] #33.2 - Roberto Clemente (White Back) [PSA*3*VG]
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Red splotch on right armpit. Looks like they're pretty common, based on the ones I see on COMC. May not be on the gray back version.
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Geez John. Did not need to know about that
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Because of the placement or the expense?
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Only kidding. Always dread when variants happen on $ cards
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Only kidding. Always dread when variants happen on $ cards
For me....Cardinals cards.
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Always dread when variants happen on $ cards
Variants on money cards are also much tougher to spot....most folks can't afford multiple copies to compare in hand...most of the variants I spot are on in-hand cards.
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Red splotch on right armpit. Looks like they're pretty common, based on the ones I see on COMC. May not be on the gray back version.
Not on my white back version as I just checked.
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Default 1954 #96 Bill Walsh

I know this is a baseball card group, but I thought I would post this discovery. As you can see in the scan, the left version of the card has malfunction in the "L" in his name. I had seen someone with a pair of these cards on eBay with a different reason (I think) and I saw the L issue. There is one right now on eBay, if anyone wants to go after it.
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normal colored card left vs this recent pick-up on the right. Missing outline around photo also missing color on the name/position background and team banner. What do you guys think?
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Looks blackless to me.
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What was the cause of this variation? Would similar things have happened on cards in theta row or column?
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When that particular sheet was being printed it was running low on black ink. At the very least the cards around the Bunning were also affected and are blackless or blacklessing.
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Default 1966 Bunning blackless

Here are some of the cards around Bunning, in case you are looking for possible errors.

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When that particular sheet was being printed it was running low on black ink. At the very least the cards around the Bunning were also affected and are blackless or blacklessing.
Yes, that's what low ink looks like.

Plenty of causes for it, but none I can think of that can be clearly identified form the end product.
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1952 Topps - [Base] #99 - Gene Woodling [Good*to*VG‑EX]
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D-shaped print defect over Home on back.
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Intersting because there is a front recurring border irregularity to this card ( listed in Super set and discussed in a past SCD article, Lemke I think). Wonder if this one is recurring.
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Interesting because there is a front recurring border irregularity to this card ( listed in Super set and discussed in a past SCD article, Lemke I think). Wonder if this one is recurring.
It is. Multiple copies on COMC confirm it. Take a look at the PSA 3 in Sold Out.
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Yeah, the gaps have been mentioned before in this thread. I searched for "Woodling" and saw them, checking to see if the defect I showed had already been listed here.
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I do not recall it
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Default 1964 #258 Roggenburk

I have proof that there are two of the exact same error but the site will not let me upload the scan. What is going on?

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It is not just different color in the back ground. The photo is also cropped different.
The cards are from different cereal boxes. Andre Rogers was on three different boxes. 2 with the traded line. (Grape Nut Flakes and Alpha Bits) 1 with no traded line (Sugar Crisp) The printing process relied on the colors that were to be on the front of the box. Hence the cards on the back would reflect the shading differences. All three of the Rodgers cards are slightly different. (I can scan mine and post) This process is true for all three sets 1961-1963 and the 62 Football set. Depending on the box(es) the player was on the more variation. By the same token there are no variations for players that were on only one box. (Shaw, Woodling et all in 61, Marichal, Spencer et all in 62, Mantle, Maris et all in 63, Martin, Coia in the 62 football set.)
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Default 1964 #258 Roggenburk

Here is proof that it is not a "one off"
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Wonder if card below it on sheet was impacted
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I’m going to guess that it was on the bottom of the sheet, will have to look for 64 uncut sheets and miscut Roggenburk’s.
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There was a 64 Roggenburk printed on the bottom row and I would say 99.6% that is the origin of that print flaw on it.
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I know this is post 1980, but this thread looks to be where the action is on print errors and variations...I just found this card in my 82 Topps commons box. What the heck happened here? Anyone seen one like this before?
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Soaked-in-Windex variation?
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I know this is post 1980, but this thread looks to be where the action is on print errors and variations...I just found this card in my 82 Topps commons box. What the heck happened here? Anyone seen one like this before?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEWEY-ROBIN...cAAOSwR2RaG3GN I don't know what caused it but there is at least one other one out there, they are both from the E* sheet.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEWEY-ROBIN...cAAOSwR2RaG3GN I don't know what caused it but there is at least one other one out there, they are both from the E* sheet.
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That could be from a couple things.

A dry print, where the plate doesn't get dampened and retains ink everywhere.

During washdown, where they cleaned ink off the blanket with solvent, which smears it at first. But that usually isn't this consistent.

Or, a sheet of paper, or the surface of a sheet got stuck on the blanket, and retained ink since it's porous.

Of those, I think it's probably the last one.
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I am guessing that these two cards were next to each other on their original sheet. While I did not do the best job to line it up perfectly on the scanner, the little black line in the white blemish line up. I found at least one copy of each card with (nearly) the same print blemish which continues from one card to the other.
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Yes, I have one or two 1982s that have most of the card covered in that blue color. Although, if memory serves, it does not cover the entire card like yours, more like 2/3 or card.
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Here is the 1982 Topps E* sheet, Glenn Hubbard is the third card on the fourth row and Dewey Robinson is the fifth card on the fifth row. Undoubtedly at the very least the cards surrounding them were also printed with the same defect.
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What type of print error is this blue streak? Is it recurring across the sheet? I saw about 12% of the cards listed for 1966, #381 with it this morning, but did not see others.

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What type of print error is this blue streak? Is it recurring across the sheet? I saw about 12% of the cards listed for 1966, #381 with it this morning, but did not see others.

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Probably a defective red plate so the blue shows through instead of being seen as purple.

If it's on the edge there might not be others. if it's in the middle somewhere the card to the right of it might also have a defect.
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Was aware of blue line defect, but is that a green smudge on his face too ?
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the card is, I believe in column 9. Card 391 is in col 10, and 363 is in col 11
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I didn't see that smudge on any of the other blue defect cards, so I assumed it was just a scan artifact. However, most of the blue defect cards also have a line streak on his cheek.
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1961 Topps Checklist 3rd Series #189. Is this a known variation, or just a print defect? I find these intriguing as I can't figure out what would cause these boxy areas to occur, especially as text underneath them appears, the bottom box is either yellow or white, and the box varies in size. What's also interesting is that there are two recognized printing variations of this card - Type 1 with copyright on back beginning at card #263 and Type 2 beginning at #264. Of these 3 cards, one is Type 1 and two are Type 2. The last card also has the photo cropped very differently, as uniform number 14 is missing.


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That is wild, I can't believe it took fifty nine years to be discovered. My first thought was that it was tape that was holding the sheet in place and they forgot to remove it and that it was a corner card, and sure enough it is the card in the bottom right corner of that sheet. Just a guess on my part. Great find, gracecollector.
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That is wild, I can't believe it took fifty nine years to be discovered. My first thought was that it was tape that was holding the sheet in place and they forgot to remove it and that it was a corner card, and sure enough it is the card in the bottom right corner of that sheet. Just a guess on my part. Great find, gracecollector.
Thanks for that Cliff and interesting theory on corner tape (great thought to think sheet corner card). I looked at about 300 copies of checklist #189 between eBay and COMC, and these were the only three that I found with the defect. Bought them all. I had just learned that Don Zimmer was the Cub player in the rundown, and was looking for the card to add to my Zim PC. I spotted one with the boxes and said "What the heck?!" and went looking for more.
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