Muhammad Ali Autograph on Angelo Marino REAL?

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by shelly

Angelo was a better forger when it cam to some players than his son . He did all the Namath's and Marions produced by the Marino family. He didnt go away for six months because he was there father. He went away because he shared in the forgery and money.

Thanks for the insight. Marion who?

[drc]

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[grandstand69]

Let me try to explain, the point is I want to sell these pieces on eBay but wanted to get some input. Marino art is frowned on, I want to know if the photo we have along with other angles help prove the Ali signature is authentic. Also having confidence in a good piece what are thoughts on interest due to the history of the artist. That's it, nothing really to complicated.

[mr2686]

I think the interest would be low. I know I would not want one even if I saw Ali sign it in person. I think there are going to be a couple of different groups of collectors. 1 - someone that would not touch anything with the Marino name on it. 2 - someone that would not touch it without an "official" authentication by PSA, Spence, Simon etc. 3 - Someone that would get it to make a cut so that it was no longer associated with Marino, but they probably would not want to pay what you'd wan't to sell for. Finally, there's the collector that buys anything but even some of those know the name of Marino and it might be a hard sell. I think you have an uphill battle on this one.

[grandstand69]

Funny you should mention cutting the autograph out. I have over 125left that I've counted with my dad saying he has about 125-150 more stored with the rest of the memorabilia he put up after moving on from the hobby. Remember, I'm talking about same exact piece but without the original mock-up and also these are #d to /500. I'm no novice to the industry and do realize the value difference if certified, that's why I started here, I'd hate to invest a bunch of cash in LOAs only to have problems selling these pieces for more then they'd fetch with photograph proof and a written guarantee of refund if problems. I also am looking at just attaching a quick opinion. Other lithos like mine generate $500-$850 on up. If we can get $275-$300 on our #d /500 I'd be ok with it. I just won't know until one hits the market. These are not common on the market due to us owning the majority, perhaps it helps. Worst case we cut and sell for a few hundred each.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Thanks for the insight. Marion who?

I think he meant Dan Marino.
Marino doing Marino .

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I think he meant Dan Marino.
Marino doing Marino .

I thought maybe he meant John Wayne.

[shelly]

Zipper
The all knowing mr Simon is correct. He did Dan Marino better than Dan Marino. That was a comment from Dan Marino when he was shown the forgerys by HBO.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by shelly

Zipper
The all knowing mr Simon is correct. He did Dan Marino better than Dan Marino. That was a comment from Dan Marino when he was shown the forgerys by HBO.

Are there tells now looking at them in retrospect or are they so good they are still undetectable?

[drc]

If potential customers are sure/assured the signatures are genuine and Marino was just the artist for someone else's in person signing, I think they'd sell. It sounds as if the prints weren't even by Marino, but made from his painting. If so, he didn't even make these prints.

To tell you the truth, if it can be firmly established that the signatures are genuine, I don't know what is the big deal. Some collectors might even like the irony of such a piece-- a genuine signature on a forger's artwork.

Again, I'm not a Ali signature expert, so have no comment on the authenticity. I'll leave that to others.

[shelly]

Mr Zipper,
I can only tell you that everyone of the respected authenticators passed numerous pieces of both Marino and Namath. It has been a long time since I have seen any of his work but when I do I will email it to you and you can tell me what you think.

[autograf]

I live in Louisville....hometown of Ali and the Muhammad Ali center.........I've got and have had a lot of Ali stuff over the years. I'm not an Ali autograph expert though. I've seen tons of in person Ali's and gotten in person Ali's that are complete different from each other. The ravages of Parkinsons have taken it's toll on him. I have a coffee table book that his photographer/handler did quite a while back that my dad got signed in person by Ali at a book signing downtown. He signed it in four places. My dad said he just kept turning the page and signing. One of the signatures looks TOTALLY different from the others even though it was signed at the same time. So.....who knows. I'm not sure what JSA/PSA charges for COA's but if you can get a couple hundred of them certed for $30-$50 per piece and they come back legit, I can imagine you would recoup more than that per piece. If you could sell for $400 instead of $200-$250, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't discount getting them certed by PSA/JSA even though they have their issues too..................