NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on Ebay
Babe Ruth Cards
t206 Ty Cobb
Ty Cobb Cards
Lou Gehrig Cards
Baseball T201-T217
Baseball E90-E107
T205 Cards
Vintage Baseball Postcards
Goudey Cards
Vintage Baseball Memorabilia
Baseball Exhibit Cards
Baseball Strip Cards
Baseball Baking Cards
Sporting News Cards
Play Ball Cards
Joe DiMaggio Cards
Mickey Mantle Cards
Bowman 1951-1955
Football Cards

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Postwar Sportscard Forums > Basketball / Cricket / Tennis Cards Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-27-2020, 10:08 PM
Eric72's Avatar
Eric72 Eric72 is offline
Eric Perry
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
Posts: 2,375
Default Why so many bids on this fake Gretzky rookie?

Correct me if I'm wrong here. This card is fake, and easily identified as such. Yet there are quite a few bids on it, with plenty of time remaining.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-80-O-P...AAAOSwwGdfvEHj

Is this just a byproduct of the massive influx of new hobbyists? Too many people with too little knowledge chasing cards that are counterfeited too often?

I imagine the winning bidder will be someone to whom buying a Gretzky rookie is a new experience. Sadly, it's looking like their experience will be a rather unpleasant one.
__________________
Eric Perry

Currently collecting:
T206 (116/524)
1956 Topps Baseball (181/342)

"You can observe a lot by just watching."
- Yogi Berra
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-27-2020, 11:40 PM
Throttlesteer Throttlesteer is offline
Anson
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 830
Default

Definitely fake. The bids could be shills to make it look active. Its always amazing that the fakes are nicely centered. The real ones are tough.
__________________
An$on Lyt!e
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-28-2020, 07:08 AM
maniac_73's Avatar
maniac_73 maniac_73 is offline
CostA Kl@d1@n0s
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Posts: 446
Default

and a really bad reprint as well
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-28-2020, 07:41 AM
hockeyhockey hockeyhockey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 474
Default

"unclear if this is an original" seems to be the way to earn 15,000% increase on a card
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-28-2020, 08:47 AM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 5,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric72 View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong here. This card is fake, and easily identified as such. Yet there are quite a few bids on it, with plenty of time remaining.

Is this just a byproduct of the massive influx of new hobbyists? Too many people with too little knowledge chasing cards that are counterfeited too often?

I imagine the winning bidder will be someone to whom buying a Gretzky rookie is a new experience. Sadly, it's looking like their experience will be a rather unpleasant one.
I think it is partly that but I also think some people have money to burn so they are willing to take a chance as well.

Regardless, as long as people keep buying these up, the worse things are going to get, imo.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-28-2020, 02:52 PM
smallpaul2002 smallpaul2002 is offline
Paul
member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 78
Default

Yup, that cards fake, Love the description "unclear if the card is original"... The description should read "clearly this original card is a fake"..
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-30-2020, 06:04 PM
Wid_Conroy Wid_Conroy is offline
Wid
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 397
Default

What is the obvious tell here? (besides the non-committal description)

I have been looking for a Gretzky rookie for months. would never buy raw, but just curious how you spot these.
__________________
Deals Done:
GrayGhost, Count76, mybuddyinc, banksfan14, boysblue, Sverteramo, rocuan, rootsearcher60, GoldenAge50s, pt7464, trdcrdkid, T206.org, bnorth, frankrizzo29, David Atkatz, Johnny630, cardsamillion

Collecting:
T206, OPC Gretzky, Banks/Aaron base cards, Star Basketball, and HOF rookies from 50s-90s, MLB, NFL, NBA
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-30-2020, 06:10 PM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 5,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy View Post
What is the obvious tell here? (besides the non-committal description)

I have been looking for a Gretzky rookie for months. would never buy raw, but just curious how you spot these.
There are a few articles written, Wid. I am not up on them either but it's nice to know the info is out for me if and when the time comes?

https://www.beckett.com/news/how-to-...etting-burned/

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...ky-rookie-card

https://allvintagecards.com/guide-to...retzky-rookie/
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-30-2020, 06:33 PM
Eric72's Avatar
Eric72 Eric72 is offline
Eric Perry
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
Posts: 2,375
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
There are a few articles written, Wid. I am not up on them either but it's nice to know the info is out for me if and when the time comes?

https://www.beckett.com/news/how-to-...etting-burned/

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...ky-rookie-card

https://allvintagecards.com/guide-to...retzky-rookie/
Thanks for posting these links.

There is a treasure trove of info out there. With a little research, and a discerning eye, it is possible to buy raw cards online and (when COVID hell has ended) in person.
__________________
Eric Perry

Currently collecting:
T206 (116/524)
1956 Topps Baseball (181/342)

"You can observe a lot by just watching."
- Yogi Berra
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-30-2020, 07:42 PM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 5,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric72 View Post
Thanks for posting these links.

There is a treasure trove of info out there. With a little research, and a discerning eye, it is possible to buy raw cards online and (when COVID hell has ended) in person.
You're welcome.

I'm not sure if those links I posted covered it but I read recently that the scammers/doctors are now adding that yellow dot/spot on Gretzky's left shoulder.
That use to be a tell tale sign, if that was missing, that the card was a fake but that doesn't hold true anymore apparently?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-01-2020, 06:09 AM
Eric72's Avatar
Eric72 Eric72 is offline
Eric Perry
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia Suburbs
Posts: 2,375
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
You're welcome.

I'm not sure if those links I posted covered it but I read recently that the scammers/doctors are now adding that yellow dot/spot on Gretzky's left shoulder.
That use to be a tell tale sign, if that was missing, that the card was a fake but that doesn't hold true anymore apparently?
If the yellow dot is missing, the card is still a counterfeit.

Luckily, determining authenticity is much more than looking for one specific thing. Cards should be put through several tests. For example, most cards from this era (Gretzky rookies included) are a product of similar printing methods. One such method involves printing a blend of solid colors and "rosettes" by sending the card stock through the press several times. This can be seen with Topps progressive color proof sets.

Many counterfeits are made with machines that print everything in one pass. This leads to a homogenized image, with (again, for example) no crisp black pin lines around the image on the front of a Gretzky rookie.
__________________
Eric Perry

Currently collecting:
T206 (116/524)
1956 Topps Baseball (181/342)

"You can observe a lot by just watching."
- Yogi Berra
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fake Mantle on Ebay, 10 hours left (2 bids) pgconboy Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 10 11-12-2020 03:44 PM
Very Fake E93 on ebay with lots of bids.... Leon Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 8 04-29-2014 05:38 AM
Wayne Gretzky OPC Rookie - Real or fake? MikeKam Basketball / Cricket / Tennis Cards Forum 2 04-01-2014 02:42 PM
Creative lure to get bids for a fake Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 5 03-28-2006 12:01 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:25 PM.


ebay GSB