Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I remember Jim Merritt one year winning 20 with an ERA into the 4s at a time that was pretty mediocre.

And finished 4th in Cy Young voting while the ERA leader finished 7th.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

And finished 4th in Cy Young voting while the ERA leader finished 7th.

Livan Hernandez won world series MVP with a very high ERA but because he WON games.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

The bold is where you lose me.

The underlined means, to me, if he is pulled in, or even after completing, the 6th inning, nothing in the 7th counts for him as that is NOT the inning on offense in which he was removed unless he throws a pitch in that inning. Doesn't matter if he's home or away. Don't know how you're reading this but if you are getting something different out of it I need to find another meme!

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

The bold is where you lose me.

The underlined means, to me, if he is pulled in, or even after completing, the 6th inning, nothing in the 7th counts for him as that is NOT the inning on offense in which he was removed unless he throws a pitch in that inning. Doesn't matter if he's home or away. Don't know how you're reading this but if you are getting something different out of it I need to find another meme!

If a pitcher finishes an inning (say the 6th) and a new pitcher starts the new inning (7th) the original pitcher isn't officially pulled until a new pitcher starts pitching.

You see it all the time...pitcher finishes the 8th, everyone knows the closer will take over, then the team scores 8 runs and the guy just off the bus pitches the 9th. The closer never pitched, so the scrub replaced the guy who finished the 8th.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

If a pitcher finishes an inning (say the 6th) and a new pitcher starts the new inning (7th) the original pitcher isn't officially pulled until a new pitcher starts pitching.

You see it all the time...pitcher finishes the 8th, everyone knows the closer will take over, then the team scores 8 runs and the guy just off the bus pitches the 9th. The closer never pitched, so the scrub replaced the guy who finished the 8th.

so does the visiting pitcher who pitched and completes the bottom of the 6th, his team hits in the tops of the 7th and takes the lead (and leads rest of game and wins the game) get credited for win even though zero pitches in bottom of 7th? I thought that pitcher gets credited for the win, if not then I stand corrected

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so does the visiting pitcher who pitched and completes the bottom of the 6th, his team hits in the tops of the 7th and takes the lead (and leads rest of game and wins the game) get credited for win even though zero pitches in bottom of 7th? I thought that pitcher gets credited for the win, if not then I stand corrected

This is correct. I don't understand what is confusing. A visiting pitcher who pitches 6 innings isn't replaced until the bottom of the 7th inning. Any runs scored from the 1st through the top of the 7th are credited to him.

A home pitcher who pitches 6 innings is replaced in the top of the 7th. Any runs scored from the 1st to the bottom of the 6th are credited to him.

With the DH, there really isn't any pinch hitting for a pitcher anymore, but it is correct that if a pitcher is hit for and removed, any runs scored in that half inning are credited to him.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by rats60

This is correct. I don't understand what is confusing. A visiting pitcher who pitches 6 innings isn't replaced until the bottom of the 7th inning. Any runs scored from the 1st through the top of the 7th are credited to him.

A home pitcher who pitches 6 innings is replaced in the top of the 7th. Any runs scored from the 1st to the bottom of the 6th are credited to him.

With the DH, there really isn't any pinch hitting for a pitcher anymore, but it is correct that if a pitcher is hit for and removed, any runs scored in that half inning are credited to him.

What is confusing to me is that a visiting pitcher can get a win because of runs that occur in the inning after he pitched, even if the pitcher does a poor job. It just makes the win meaningless because it is so ill-deserved.

There have been articles written about how meaningless a stat the win can be. Take, or instance, this article: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/w...iest-solution/ that mentions that it is somewhat ridiculous that a starting pitcher needs to pitch 4 innings to get a win (in a 9-inning or more game), but a reliever only needs to get one out to get a win, even if they blow a save in the process.

Instead, this and other articles suggest that "If we're going to continue to pretend a team stat is assigned to an individual pitcher, give the win to the pitcher who, in the discretion of the official scorer, did the most to contribute to the team victory. In nearly every case, it's pretty clear....If it's not easy and obvious, that's OK with me. They make tough judgement calls on errors vs. hits all the time. "

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Don't know how you're reading this but if you are getting something different out of it I need to find another meme!

Scott, Please keep the memes coming, they are CRACKING ME UP!!!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

The bold is where you lose me.

The underlined means, to me, if he is pulled in, or even after completing, the 6th inning, nothing in the 7th counts for him as that is NOT the inning on offense in which he was removed unless he throws a pitch in that inning. Doesn't matter if he's home or away. Don't know how you're reading this but if you are getting something different out of it I need to find another meme!

so now you see the light...