Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Here you go: In this example both pitchers pitch 5 innings. both pitchers pulled after 5 innings.... The visiting pitcher can still get the win if his team scores in the 6th The home pitcher does not get the win if his team scores in the bottom of the 6th. Both only pitched 5 innings, yet one pitcher's team has SIX chances to give him the lead the other one FIVE chances.....(hence the argument about easier to get a 'WIN' when on the road)

This was found on the web for definition of a win


1. He pitches at least 5 innings (*). (This is why often when pitchers start to struggle in the 5th, their managers are reluctant to pull them if they are winning and try to squeeze another out or two out of them. Managerial decisions should never be based on impact to a player’s stats, but I’ll rant about that later – probably moreso in relation to the save rule).

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

3. His team never relinquishes the lead.

4. And finally, his team wins the game. (Well, you knew that already)


If you pitch 5 innings on the road and you dont pitch the bottom of the 6th but your team takes the lead in top of the 6th, if that does not qualify you for a WIN then i stand corrected..otherwise continue on with not understanding

So think 1952boyntoncollector is actually correct (sorry I doubted you).

According baseballreference: "A pitcher receives credit for all the runs that his team scores in a half inning in which he is replaced by a pinch hitter or pinch runner. Since no new pitcher has been put into the game, the most recent pitcher receives the credit."

I think something like this actually happened last night where Cleveland, the road team scored in top of the 10th to take the lead 4-3. Cleveland's De Los Santos was the pitcher in the 9th inning, and gave up 2 runs to make the score 3-3 going into the 10th. Cleveland scored in the top of the 10th and Detroit did not score. So De Los Santos got a blow save AND the win.

Shows how ridiculous wins can be for a reliever.

I know that De Los Santos didn't start the game, but the same principle of "pitcher of record" applies, I believe.

EDIT: Whoops, looks like last night's game wasn't the best example after all, as De Los Santos didn't give up any runs. But he still did get a win for a run that occured in an inning after he pitched.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

So think 1952boyntoncollector is actually correct (sorry I doubted you).

According baseballreference: "A pitcher receives credit for all the runs that his team scores in a half inning in which he is replaced by a pinch hitter or pinch runner. Since no new pitcher has been put into the game, the most recent pitcher receives the credit."

I think something like this actually happened last night where Cleveland, the road team scored in top of the 10th to take the lead 4-3. Cleveland's De Los Santos was the pitcher in the 9th inning, and gave up 2 runs to make the score 3-3 going into the 10th. Cleveland scored in the top of the 10th and Detroit did not score. So De Los Santos got a blow save AND the win.

Shows how ridiculous wins can be for a reliever.

I know that De Los Santos didn't start the game, but the same principle of "pitcher of record" applies, I believe.

right so all of those 'makes no sense' arguments seem to now 'make no sense'

I know for fantasy baseball for money, if i have 2 pitchers to choose from and can only start 1 and everything else is the same, i would start the road pitcher versus a home pitcher due to being able to get 3 more outs on offense if they both pitch an equal amount of innings. again correct me if I am wrong, but it would appear the road pitcher has a better chance at a 'win' i am not sure of any other statistic where one pitcher gets 3 more outs to improve on a statistic where another pitcher can do the same amount of work (pitch equal amount of the same innings) and doesnt get 3 more outs.

[packs]

Isn't that scenario only true if a pitcher throws a complete game?