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Posted By: dan mckee
At National, I was setup and a gentleman who I did not know came to the table, inquired about a few cards, negotiated a deal, and instructed me to hold them and he would send me a check as he was out of checks or something. OK, sounds normal so far. Then I get home and a few days later get a phone call from his secretary that he is no longer interested in these. Well that pissed me off as those cards were removed from my case for a few days and could have sold to another buyer. I emailed him and let him know that I thought that was very unprofessional and he wrote back stating he didn't appreciate my tone. I told him he was no longer welcome at my table at any show again.
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Posted By: Anthony S.
I don't think you're overreacting at all. The fact that he didn't even bother to inform you himself, but rather pawned the task off on his secretary --- he negotiated the deal with you, not his secretary --- suggests he might have a slightly unfounded high opinion of himself. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
I believe I was standing there at the time the transaction was negotiated. Was the "buyer" S.S.? |
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Posted By: Matt
your response was measured and proportionate. |
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Posted By: Alan U
You have reason to be upset, but I think setting cards aside for someone at a show is always a risky business if you haven't dealt with them before. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Yes Steve, you must have been there, you hit that nail on the head! |
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Posted By: raymond g.
Could you have solicited a "down payment" maybe 10% to hold the cards, you would think he had some cash with him, or he could of used a credit card for the "down payment" to hold the cards. I would have explained that he would lose the "hold money" if he changes his mind. Just a thought. I have given "hold money" at shows and came back the next day with the total. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Dan, you showed great restraint if that is all you did. Don't feel bad about doing what you did. Maybe a twinge of regret for not cutting loose on him a bit more. Sounds to me like the cards were sold, only payment and delivery remained. He broke the deal. |
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Posted By: Fred C
A non-refundable deposit/credit. If they back out of the deal they can spend the deposit on your other inventory. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
You have every right to be upset, but you should also understand that when a stranger promises to send you a check, and you have no deposit from him, the chance of the deal falling through is pretty high. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
This was NO stranger!! |
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Posted By: Eric B
I believe you can now sell them and legally he must make up the difference as actual damages. Provided that you find the best deal to mitigate losses. |
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Posted By: Mark Evans
I agree with Dan. The buyer did not live up to his end of the bargain and Dan has a right to be miffed. Mark |
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Posted By: Jim Manos
? HAVE SOME BALLS... |
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Posted By: bigfish
I think you did the right thing. You could have sold the cards you put aside. The very least this person could do is buy you a red bull and vodka at the PA show. I will be bringing you the Uncle Jacks. Please send me the list you need again. |
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Posted By: Eric B
Bruce, |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Great chat guys and I appreciate everyone's input. I will mention as Steve hinted above that this gent was not really a stranger as he has a high spending reputation it sounded like from what I heard of dialog between him and Steve at my table. I had never done business with him but he bargained me down off of my sticker prices and wanted to take the cards with him! I said no and that I would mail them as soon as payment arrived. If I had let him take them, the sale probably would have went through. I am guessing he got home and realized he spent more than he wanted to at the show and started cutting where he could. Though money doesn't seem to be a problem with this guy from what I was hearing of his PSA Registry. Bruce and Eric, I can assure you that I will not be trying to sue anyone as I really didn't lose anything except a possible sale, these things happen in business. I was shocked by the egotistical reply I received from email after I voiced my disappointment. Jim Manos, sorry but NO BALLS is correct, I only have 1, I lost my left one in 1988 to cancer. Dan. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
And I lost my left one to epididymitis in 1961. |
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Uno |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Sorry to hear about your misfortune--I'd be miffed too, but it looks like one of those "lessons learned". |
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Posted By: David Goff
Hey Dan |
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Posted By: Steve
Even I know who SS is so Dan has Balls. (at least one) The initials are more then enough for someone to figure it out. |
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Posted By: Tim
I think being upset is warranted and the way the buyer went about canceling the sale showed a lack of class, however I agree as stated above he more than likely overspent or had buyers remorse and took the easy way out. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
both of you read that again, Bruce... |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Bruce et al probably didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night and Frank is a Judge, I'd wager with Frank's opinion........plus he's a Kentuckian......... |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
I once had a customer commit in writing to spend $25,000 with me. He sent his payment in the form of three checks (as there was more than one transaction), then abruptly stopped payment. His excuse seemed slightly valid but certainly no less of a headache on this end. |
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Posted By: Elliot
It appears that arrogance is a quality common to a number of PSA HOF'ers. |
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Posted By: Richard
Am I the only one stupid enough to not know who "SS" is? |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
But whoever it is, his behavior stinks. Card deals are like gambling debts; a gentleman honors them. |
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Posted By: leon
No, you are not the only one who doesn't know who the mystery "ss" is. I thought I knew everybody too .... |
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Posted By: hrbaker
PSA Registry HOF |
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Posted By: Wesley
There is only one PSA Registry HOF member with the initials S.S. |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Once you go back on your word, you have very little room to complain about the other party's 'tone'. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Never heard of him. |
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Posted By: Alan
I know him. He's a very nice guy. Now having said that, he emailed me that he would come to my Friday night dinner at the National, since he wasn't going to the Mastro Live auction. When I saw him at the PSA luncheon on Friday at the National, he said hello to me, but never mentioned that he couldn't stop at Shoeless Joe's that night. Not a big deal really, but it's the principle, right ? |
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Posted By: Lance
Dan, |
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Posted By: Jason L
but just to add my 3 cents (inflationary pressures)...I think you were right to be ticked off, and as long as he didn't have some hardship case and a truly apologetic tone (neither of which sounds true here), I wouldn't worry much about telling him off. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dan, you should be pissed obviously and I believe you are in the right as well. I think that kind of stuff does happen a lot in life, however, and you just have to chalk it up to one of life's little frustrations. Obviously you're not going to pursue a lawsuit over it despite the plethora of lawyers (and make-believe lawyers) who no doubt would love to chase that ambulance down the street. Life's too short, lesson learned. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Thanks Jeff and fellow collectors. I am not sure you can get $3500 out of a bank machine in 1 day so that might not have been an option. This gentleman gave me his word that he would send a check and that was good enough for me. 99.9% of the people I deal with are great people. I did not start this thread to oust him personally so I would appreciate if the above post with his name in it would be edited to remove it by the poster or Leon if you could star out the name I would greatly appreciate it, as we all make mistakes. Take care friends and I will see a bunch of you in Reading. Pop is joining me this time for Friday and Saturday. Dan. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
OOPS! almost forgot, it was several York Caramel cards with HOFer's including Speaker I believe. |
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