Mets combined no-hitter

[Snapolit1]

Interesting seeing the response to the Mets' 5 pitcher no-hitter last night. As a lifelong Mets fan I thought it was a really special night. Particularly cool as a few young pitchers got involved and will get a little slice of baseball history.

As the great Mets announcers stated up front many times in the course of the game, no one would seriously argue that a combined no no is a special as a complete game no no. Of course not. But this is something that has only happened 16 times in baseball history (out of more than 218,000 games). It's pretty cool, and the only combined no-no that involved 5 pitchers in baseball history.

The response among some supposed baseball experts ran the gamut from pretty cool, to well whatever, to it's embarrassing the Mets and their players are even leaving the dugout and making a big deal about this. One major SABR dude told me last night on Twitter that this would be about as meaningful to him as if he found out after the fact that the game he attended broke the major league record for most flyouts to right field.

I'm not sure I would care very much if the Detroit Tigers or Texas Rangers pitched a combined no-no last night, but isn't it more than a bit absurd to crap on something that has happened 16 times in baseball history?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

One major SABR dude told me last night on Twitter that this would be about as meaningful to him as if he found out after the fact that the game he attended broke the major league record for most flyouts to right field.

I'm not sure I would care very much if the Detroit Tigers or Texas Rangers pitched a combined no-no last night, but isn't it more than a bit absurd to crap on something that has happened 16 times in baseball history?

Yeah, it's pretty absurd. One might even call it condescending.

Yes, it's more meaningful having one guy do it...but having 5 different guys pitching lights out for 9 innings, has to be some sort of statistical miracle itself.

[D. Bergin]

Anybody know the most pitches thrown in a 9 inning no hitter?

Mets threw 159 pitches. Doubt it's the most...but has to be up there.

[cgjackson222]

Yeah, 159 pitches is the most on record (for last 30 years) for a no-hitter
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...lphia-phillies

They struck out 12 and walked 6, so there's some pitches there.

But yeah, pretty exciting, especially for a Mets fan like myself. The first and only other no-hitter by a Met was Johan Santana's (134 pitches), and some believe he messed up his arm in the process. Pretty grateful Tyler Megill won't be messed up from the start.

Mets with the best record in the Majors with Yankees right behind them. Exciting times, especially if DeGrom comes back relatively soon.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, it's pretty absurd. One might even call it condescending.

Yes, it's more meaningful having one guy do it...but having 5 different guys pitching lights out for 9 innings, has to be some sort of statistical miracle itself.

Yeah, condescending is exactly the tone I sensed. I'm sure if SABR guy discovered the first 5 pitcher no hitter and it was from some obscure game in 1898 and took place on a corn field in Kansas he's be all excited about it and would speaking about it with bated breath at their next meeting.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Anybody know the most pitches thrown in a 9 inning no hitter?

Mets threw 159 pitches. Doubt it's the most...but has to be up there.

BBR's pitch count only appears from 1988, but I'm sure one of Ryan's No-No's, perhaps the second one: a 17K, 4BB effort against the Tiger.


Speaking on unknown Ryan pitch counts, on 6/14/74, his line against the Red Sox was 13-8-3-3-10-19!

He struck out Cecil Cooper six times; walked in a run in the 4th; gave up a game-tying HR to Yas in the ninth.

The Angels won 4-3 in 15 innings, with the SHOULD-BE-HOFer, LUIS TIANT, JR. going the full distance and taking the loss.
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[BobbyStrawberry]

Lifelong Met fan here. Santana was very special (I remember jumping up and cheering at home), but personally the combined no-hitter does nothing for me. I'm optimistic about this season though

[Carter08]

I liked it a lot for some weird reason. Agree that if another team did it I’d probably yawn. But it was very cool to watch.

[familytoad]

Us Phillie Phans hated it!
But it’s okay since in the standings it only counts as one loss.

As for a team NH, it’s seemingly more difficult to keep the momentum from pitcher to pitcher.
I can see that sometimes a guy just “has it going” and the guy just puzzles hitters all day. Like Ryan and Feller on their special days.

More pitchers would probably be better odds that one of them would leave a pitch in the zone and ruin the NH.

I don’t think there are stats to prove that yet, but I do believe that combo no hitters are going to be more common place than single pitcher no-no’s.
The 16 we have now will likely eventually catch up to the single player versions…

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by familytoad

Us Phillie Phans hated it!
But it’s okay since in the standings it only counts as one loss.

As for a team NH, it’s seemingly more difficult to keep the momentum from pitcher to pitcher.
I can see that sometimes a guy just “has it going” and the guy just puzzles hitters all day. Like Ryan and Feller on their special days.

More pitchers would probably be better odds that one of them would leave a pitch in the zone and ruin the NH.

I don’t think there are stats to prove that yet, but I do believe that combo no hitters are going to be more common place than single pitcher no-no’s.
The 16 we have now will likely eventually catch up to the single player versions…

There have been 315 no-hitters and only 17 combined, it will take forever to catch up.

[Shoeless Moe]

Tampa did it with 6 pitchers last week, but then lost the no-no in extra innings.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/boxscore/_/gameId/401354457



https://sports.yahoo.com/rays-red-so...Bobby%20Dalbec.

[familytoad]

It will surely take a long time. And I certainly will not be around this earth to see it.
But I still believe it…

Originally Posted by Jim65

There have been 315 no-hitters and only 17 combined, it will take forever to catch up.

[Utter Chaos]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Tampa did it with 6 pitchers last week, but then lost the no-no in extra innings.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/boxscore/_/gameId/401354457



https://sports.yahoo.com/rays-red-so...Bobby%20Dalbec.

In 2003 the Astros had a six pitcher no hitter.
Roy Oswalt, Peter Munro, Kirk Saarloos, Brad Lidge, Octavio Dotel and Billy Wagner.

[Steve D]

The Mariners had a 6-pitcher no-hitter on Jun 8, 2012:

Mariners - 1
Dodgers - 0

Kevin Millwood - 6 innings
Charlie Furbush - 2/3 inning
Stephen Pryor - 1/3 inning
Lucas Luetge - 1/3 inning
Brandon League - 2/3 inning
Tom Wilhelmsen - 1 inning

Steve