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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
I'm sure many of us have seen our own cards we still own, being used on other people's sites for reference. Many times I see CD's on Ebay that have many items on them. Many from this board alone. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I have seen many of my photos used on different websites, and I wouldn't doubt that some people have stolen images from my photobucket site to use on their CD's, but I don't really get upset about it. I get a lot of satisfaction knowing that I own the original copy of the photo. There are a few photos that I have put "watermarks" on that I don't want to see used. If it does bother you then maybe you should use the "watermarks". |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: leon
JC- I think you are right on target.....I always want to help but don't want scans or photo's of my cards used in a "for pay" way. I have said this many times...and recently too. regards |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
Leon, |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: robert a
The biggest problem obviously is when your image is being used on a fraudulent website or ebay auction. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: leon
You don't need to get defensive. I didn't say anything about you or your site and you have always done as I have asked with these situations. No worries....and happy holidays... |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Yes Dan, that is an option. However, this card industry is still pretty small where everyone (extremist like us) know everyone. Plus you can make other watermarks go over marks where you can't tell... I have a graphic artist that would amaze you... |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
JC, |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
Leon, |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
A great example popped into my head.. When Lyman and Brett did a poster of cards. They asked me ahead of time and sent me 2 free ones after it was done. I know they sold them, but who cares.. I was happy. Again, I do not mind an infomational site to use images, but even then.. I want to be ASKED.. It's a respect thing... I do NOT want o find it out myself. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Well Bobby.. Now that you want to mention names here, that sorda taint this thread. We can go a little further. I can CLEARLY show you my images with the GREEN backgound I used to use on my images. They were NOT BOUGHT IN PUBLIC AUCTION as that is always a good defense. You said most have permission and that is great.. Many issues you have are popular with collectors and I'm sure they would want you to use their images. I just don't like that fact that you went on my site and TOOK my images to use on YOUR website.. JUST ASK! |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Eric B
Here are some things to consider. Do you ever own an electronic scan? Do you need to stop using a scan of your own card when you sell it? When you buy a card, did you ask if you were buying the scan rights too? If you give permission, then sell the card, do you need to tell everyone to stop using the scan? Do you need to give the current owner of a card credit for a scan you received permission to use from a previous owner? How do you track that? |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
There is an entire website that deals the particular niche that I deal in and it is made up almost entirely of images either stolen from my auctions or ones I freely e-mailed years ago. I believe credit was given on maybe one or two. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I think Jim is right... a little "asking" can go a long way. It's the right way to do it. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: warshawlaw
You may not have the rights you think you do to the images in question. My understanding is that an image of a previously copyrighted work is not necessarily something you can protect. I also believe that there are certain uses that are allowed without the permission of the image holder under the fair use doctrine. Whether there is a financial gain is not the determinative test. It is a very complex area of law recently further qualified in certain appellate decisions. Certain information also cannot be copyright protected, such as facts. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Eric b
Adding to that last comment. The only person/company that could possibly hold the copyright is the manufacturer. So did anyone ask the rights-holders of the survivor to American Tobacco Co. for the right to publish pictures of their T and N cards? If it's not public domain, only they can give permission. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
All good points. I really do not want to get into what is legal issue here. The only one who wins is the "attourney for which I am not" I just wanted thoughts on this issue. I know it's hard to give credit to everyone, then if the original owner sold the item pictured, it would be impossible to keep up with who gets credit for what. I do see why many people like to keep their collection private. It just bothers me a little when I see money involved. I'm sure I'll be over it by next year! |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Brett
If you put your pictures on the internet, people shouldn't have to get your permission to use them, considering millions of people probably look at them. If you didn't want people to take your photos, then you wouldn't put them on the internet |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: leon
They don't "have" to ask permission, though I don't profess to know the law. It's a respect thing. It goes a long way in the hobby. I had a very nice, unique card, and sold it. I asked the buyer if I could continue using it on the front page of my website. He said no problem. If he would have said he would prefer me not to, then I wouldn't have done it. I even owned the card for several months when I started using it. Like Frank said, "asking can go a long way"..Also, just because I have my cards scanned on a website doesn't mean I want someone stealing the scans and then profiting from them. Again, no idea of the legality of that, but I guess if I had to I could find out......regards |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: RC McKenzie
For example, the Bill Donovan postcard that you won the other day has the wording on the front.."copyright by Fred G. Wright". It would seem that the Wright family heirs have the 'ownership' of that image. take care |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Leon is exactly right. It's not really a legal issue. There may be one, but that's not the real issue. At least not for me. It's about common courtesy and respect. It might be legal for me to steal your scans and use them in some way that makes me money, but that doesn't make it right. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: RC McKenzie
For example, if Jim or anyone else, receives the postcard of Donovan in the mail, places a green construction paper background along with his card on his scanner, makes a copy, and publishes that image to his website, then I agree that the Donovan image with the green background is 'his' image and folks should ask if they can use his image of the Donovan card. I disagree that once he purchases the card that all prior or future images of the same Donovan card are his belongings. Regards |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Joann
We need to distinguisy between a legal/technical issue - which isn't what this thread is about - and a question about human courtesy. The old saying "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" applies here. No one's asking about whether the scans CAN be used, so I'm not really sure why people are defending that they CAN. The question is SHOULD - and the human courtesies that go with it. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: barrysloate
If someone makes a profit from someone else's photograph, the owner should be compensated, however small. A good friend of mine runs a picture archive and sells photographs to authors who need them for books they are writing. If one is used that was originally taken from my collection, no matter how many years ago, he will send me a check for $25 or more. Not a large sum of money, but the appropriate way to do it. Nobody should profit from somebody else without offering some form of compensation. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Matt E.
Disable Right Click. I believe most websites have this function. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
even with right-click disabled. We had a thread discussing stealing photos and how to get around right click before I think. I definitely agree with JC that before someone does something that's a money-making venture, they should get a person's permission and possibly even 'cut them in' on the venture. Not sure what the legal ramificiations of 'stealing' photos is and I kind of agree with someone who said earlier if you 'own' the photo. Watermarking helps somewhat but that's cumbersome with tons of photos..... |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Richard
Though I don't recall the thread Tom mentions above, he's exactly right. At the end of the day, if somebody wants to steal images from a web site, there is no way whatsoever of stopping them. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Jim Clarke
Rc, on the Donovan card that was won on Ebay. I would think that after the postcard was purchased in 1908,that the new owner could do anything they wanted with it... Mail it, tack it on the wall, sell it, or even post it on the e-net. If I bought a new car from Ford and drove it around for awhile, and then decided to sell it. Would I have to get permission from Ford first to promote my sale? Would they get a part of my proceeds? |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Cobby33
I agree with Fred, as I am not one of the fortunate ones who would have scans of their cards used on other sites. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: warshawlaw
When it comes to cards my feeling is the more info out there the better. After all, if you own the card and it is rare or even unique, it is kind of like a movie star--any publicity is good for the ultimate value of your stuff. The T206 Wagner is the biggest card around even though it is not close to the rarest because of the publicity. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: Cat
I don't care if people use my scans, but I don't have tremendously rare stuff. I did have one of my scans ('14 CJ Jackson) show up on EBay as a scam, and of course that upset me. Also, a board member (I believe it was Ryan) mentioned going through some hoops to ship a magazine only to have the person scan the images they needed and return the magazine for a refund. That type of action would really piss me off. |
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How do you feel seeing your photos used for profit?
Posted By: davidcycleback
The owner of an early baseball card or photo no more owns the rights to the image |
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