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We'll get him, in a Vegas hotel room.
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A big waste of time...and taxpayer $$$$. I'm not surprised though with the outcome.
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Three thoughts:
1) Prosecution wasted a whole lot of time and money. 2) Defense team was the best money could buy. 3) Despite the verdict, he used PEDs. |
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I think Jeffrey Toobin (CNN) probably right: Federal juries do not believe that abuse of steroids by professional athletes raises issues appropriate for the criminal justice system. Not overly concerned with lying to Congress either.
Smooth sailing to HOF now? |
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I always liked Clemens, and we have the same birthday (probably not factored in during the trial), but....you hate to see someone get away with cheating.
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He was found not guilty of perjury, right?
Not of cheating. I think that most assume he was a user due to his age defying feats of greatness.
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I followed the trial somewhat and I knew it was over when Andy Pettite said there was a 50% chance he misremembered that Clemens told him that he took PEDs. That was the prosecution's ace in the hole and they were pretty much doomed from that point on.
I read Michael O'Keeffe's American Icon: The Fall of Roger Clemens and the Rise of Steroids in America's Pastime and there's no doubt that Clemens was juicing. In that 400 page book there were just too many little details to prove otherwise. Here's a good video to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf-el...eature=related |
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None of us were there so we don't know if he cheated or not. The jury had all the facts and they said there was not adequate proof that he did so I have to yield to them. What I do know is that when Clemens was with the Yankees he was very generous with his time for numerous charitable organizations and very good with all the kids he interacted with.
All that said, this witch hunt for juicers is a waste of money at a time when money is short. Mandate that all congressional investigations be done without TV coverage and I think the d-ckheads in Washington may be forced to do some real work instead of just trying to maximize face time in front of their constituents. And BTW, Clemens, Bonds and Arod should all be first ballot HOFers. Last edited by oldjudge; 06-18-2012 at 03:57 PM. |
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Right...that HGH really was for his wife. Either way, there were so many cheaters during the last 2.5 decades in baseball it's frivolous to try and determine who was and who wasn't a user...the whole era deserves an asterisk. The Hall of Fame is a joke and has been ever since the veterans started putting in their undeserving pals so I could care less who goes in and who doesn't.
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Dan (markel)----If the book constructs an iron clad argument that Clemens used steroids then all the prosecution had to do was read the book to the jury and Clemens would have been convicted. My guess is that O'Keefe's argument was not as convincing as you make it out to be. Perhaps you were convinced before you read the book. They had all the facts; you don't.
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Old Judge do you really not think that he cheated? If you don't, without saying that it hasn't been proven, why don't you think he cheated? Just curious.
I don't think he'll ever get in the HOF. Here is a link to the 2012 voting. You will see that Rafi and McGwire faired pretty terribly. My man Don Mattingly (not a cheater) got more votes than Palmiero despite his 569 home runs and 3,000 plus hits. Last edited by packs; 06-18-2012 at 05:01 PM. |
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Wonder why we waste tax dollars on things like Clemons and Barry Bonds? Pretty sure they both used PEDs even if the didn't admit it. And why congress ever got involved is beyond me.
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The idea of politicians taking offense at someone lying to them, is laughable, considering their careers are built on lies and they are almost psychopathic in the ease with which they can bs the people and maintain a straight face.
Not to be construed as a defense of Clemens, however. |
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To me Clemens is no worse than any other cheater, whether they've been caught or not, but to boot, he's almost as easy to dislike as Bonds, almost.
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...........inclined to agree but haven't seen many others try to pass it off on their wife.
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Regardless of what people assume, you are innocent until proven guilty- and he was found not guilty. I'm not defending him, I don't know if he did them or not. He insists he didn't. What makes him a liar? What someone else said? Sincerely, Clayton |
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Phone call with Clemens accuser
Here's a transcript of Clemens accuser.. Brian McNamee and Clemens that is supposed to be McNamee getting Clemens to confess on the phone.
McNamee is a former NYC Police officer who obtained illegal drugs and distributed them .. a felony. Was he motivated? considering what often happens to Cops in prison? I don't suppose he needed immunity from prosecution to live... Im not saying this is what happened.. I don't know.. but I think its certainly plausible. I read the transcript from stem to stern and don't see how they listed this phone conversation as a compelling argument for accusing Clemens. transcript: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ticle-1.341912 |
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"Regardless of the verdict of juries...." ($1) to the estate of KM Landis. I surely hope not.
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He's a douche. Can we say douche?
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Funny how all the Balco guys and guys in the Mitchell Report accused of steroids not one guy went to jail. MLB steroid program is a joke.
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Shoeless Joe was found not guilty also. It doesn't really matter what the court of law says. It is what is assumed by the voters that matters. |
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29 players implicated in the BALCO / Mitchel Report findings have admitted that they used PEDs. It's not like investigators are just making this stuff up. Does that mean everyone used who was named? No. But it does show that everyone isn't telling the truth as many of these admissions came out months to years after the reports.
Pettitte did the right thing. He admitted his use. I find it hard to believe that he received his HGH from anyone but a contact of Clemens. When faced with putting a friend of mine behind jail, I don't know if I could do it either. |
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