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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: James Feagin
Simple question, do you consider the 1935 Diamond Matches to be cards? They are extremely affordable and wonder why they don't get much hobby respect. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Alan
Excellent question !!! I've wondered that myself. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: andy becker
yes. and shhhhhhh about the prices |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
No. The determination of whether a pre-war baseball collectible is a card depends solely on the rarity of the item. So, baseball players on Wheaties boxes are not cards, while those on candy boxes including products such as Darby's, All Star Baseball, etc. (eventho they are poor representations at best) are cards - solely because they are uncommon. The same applys to matchbooks, notebook covers, postcard imprinted non-rare items such as the exhibit series which are not cards; while flimsy products which do not even have the rigidity to support their own weight like Mello Mints - are definately cards? And Ice cream container covers as well as small round candy tin inserts like JuJu Drums or Colgan products are clearly cards. If you don't believe me, ask Hal. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: warshawlaw
It's like the debate over why the T206 Wagner sells for so much more than rarer cards. Who cares, the market has evolved that way. People actively collect them, so they are legitimate vintage cardboard baseball collectibles. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: John S
Yes. The Diamond Matchbooks have relatively good photos and biographies. They are inexpensive due to the other more mainstream baseball issues of the 1930's. Talk to a vinatge football collector. The 1933 and 1938 football Diamond Matchbooks get very expensive, especially HOFer's. Outside of the 1935 National Chicle football set of 36 players, there are few collectible options for 1930's players. Thus the greater demand and value. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Daniel Bretta
I recently picked up a whole bunch of the Diamond matchbooks at an estate sale...most of the baseball ones are completely intact with matches...I tried to sell a few on ebay with a starting bid of 9.99 and they didn't sell...All of the football ones I put up sold above my minimum bid...That's okay I'll keep the baseball ones for my collection...the football and hockey paid for the lot twice over. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Mike
Dan do you still have any, and if so, are they for sale? |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Dan, those are beautiful. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Mark
Not that it's dispositve or even relevent but: (i) matchbooks have ACC designations (U1-4 and U6) and (ii) no grading company currently slabs them (one told me they lack the expertise). |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: davidcycleback
They are matchbooks, not cards. Like Sweet Caporal pins and 1969 Topps stamps, they are collected by card collectors so are close associates to cards. Card-like would be an acceptable label ('They aren't cards, but they're like cards.') |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: John S
SGC will grade some of the matchbooks. I spoke to a representative two weeks ago. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Yes, they are cards. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: davidcycleback
For this thread, the defining question about a questioned item is, 'Is it a card in the purely physical sense?' People will have different points of view about about the physical definition of 'card,' but, stating what I would think would be obvious, a card has to be a card. If someone put in front of you a blank white strip of cardboard folded over three times and with little cardboard strips stapled to the inside and asked you if that was a card, would you say yes or no? And, perhaps more important, would you call it art? |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: jay behrens
I don't understand why there is any question as to whether these are cards or not. They called matchbook covers for a reason. If they were cards, they would have been called Diamond baseball cards. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Gary Bills
I have 19 of these matchbooks complete with matches and clean strikers. Most of them are in really good shape. These were found in going thru collectibles from an estate and since we are not collectors we will be trying to sell these. Anyone interested can contact me by e-mail, I will list the players on the B/S/T section. I've really enjoyed the forum while trying to learn about some of the baseball stuff we found. Thanks, Gary Bills |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Alan
Adam -- |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: James Feagin
Hmmmm----but they ARE in the Standard Guide..... |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: jay behrens
You can put a lobster in your fish tank. Still doesn't make the lobster a fish. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: John S
Semantics aside....and to re-phrase my original response, I collect the matchcovers like they are cards. They are part of my "card" collection. Trying to define card, especially within a group of collectors with varying interests, is impossible. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
OK, you mavens have somewhat convinced me. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: davidcycleback
No on on this thread suggested the matchbooks aren't collectable. I've owned 1930s baseball, football and hockey matchbooks and I would buy them again. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: bobbie
Hi, Just wondering if anyone knows what year these are from. They are from the CUSTOM MATCH COMPANY. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: John S
The Aaron/Mays one is probably mid to late 70's based on the stats alone. The Ruth is probably also from the 70's. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: jamie
for alan: |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Looks like a baseball card to me. |
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1935 Diamond Matches: Considered cards?
Posted By: Bob
Most definitely not cards. I am with David R. on this one. P-2 Sweet cap pins are not cards eithers, nor are Domino Discs. They are baseball collectibles, memorabilia, whatever, but not cards. |
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