W573 and E120 checklist help requested, and identifying a new W573 type

[nolemmings]

Here's mine:

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Todd...Rixey has been added to the Type 3 confirmed list. And nice card.

Brian

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Here's mine:

That is great looking, almost like it wasn't hand cut. Yet they and other TPGs put hand cut on cards that weren't. Go figure.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is great looking, almost like it wasn't hand cut. Yet they and other TPGs put hand cut on cards that weren't. Go figure.

All the Type 3 cards I have seen, besides one which was obviously cut down, appear to be machine cut, are a larger size (both aspects fairly obvious in the scan of Todd's Rixey card) and are at least twice the thickness of the other two types of W573, as well as E120 cards, for that matter.

I am surprised that I have never seen any mention of these 'different' W573 cards before. Just shows you how little regard collectors have had toward W573 cards, and strip cards in general, that this fairly significant difference was not previously reported before.

Brian

[DaveW]

Hi Brian,
I have several that aren’t on your lists, but I’m confused. Here’s a picture of 4 cards with thick borders but obviously hand cut. All have blank backs and are on the normal thin stock. I guess they are Type 1 with thicker borders?
- Dave

[brianp-beme]

Hi Dave, I would consider those Type 1 cards because of their thin stock and the fact that they are hand cut. Type 1 cards are seen with slightly wider borders...check out the Type 1 Joe Schultz on the top right of the scan I included in the original post.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

The four W573 cards that are shown in your scan are Type 1 cards. The list I provided for Type 1 is an Unconfirmed list, and each of those cards is not on the list, so they have already been confirmed. Thanks for posting and helping me provide everyone with some more clarifying information.

Brian

[DaveW]

Now I get it! To get your Unconfirmed list, you took the 240 cards in the E120 set and subtracted out the known cards in the W573 set, leaving about 100 cards that you would like to confirm as being in both sets. Sorry, some days I’m a little slow. Anyway, I have a dozen or so W573 cards, but none are on your unconfirmed list. Good luck. It seems like an interesting research project but I suspect it will be slow going.
- Dave

[Leon]

W573s get no respect. And some w573s I no longer own.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

All the Type 3 cards I have seen, besides one which was obviously cut down, appear to be machine cut, are a larger size (both aspects fairly obvious in the scan of Todd's Rixey card) and are at least twice the thickness of the other two types of W573, as well as E120 cards, for that matter.

I am surprised that I have never seen any mention of these 'different' W573 cards before. Just shows you how little regard collectors have had toward W573 cards, and strip cards in general, that this fairly significant difference was not previously reported before.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Nice cards you used to own Leon. I guess they would be considered W573...

Brian

[brianp-beme]

I started a separate thread for this topic, but I thought it deserved to be on this thread too.

Brian

The W573 set has always been identified as a 1922 issue, but the Type 3 card of Al DeVormer shown below conclusively points to a 1923 issue date for Type 3 cards, as Al was traded from the Yankees to the Red Sox on January 3rd, 1923. By the way, 1923 was the final major league year for DeVormer until 1927, when he played for the New York Giants (and thankfully the card designates this info in pencil on the front for everyone to see and reflect upon).

Just another cool aspect about these W573 sets, and I guess it could matter to the rookie collectors out there. For example Goose Goslin's rookie cards are considered to be in the 1922 E120 American Caramel and the W573 set. Goose has been confirmed in W573 Type 1 and Type 3, but only his Type 1 card would be issued in the same year as his E120, and Type 3 would have been issued the next year. Gabby Hartnett has his first cards in the W573 Type 2 and 1922 E120 American Caramel sets, but if his Type 3 card were to ever surface, it would have to be considered to be issued in the following year, and thus not officially a rookie card. And the same goes for Pie Traynor (whose has a single W573 card showing up in the SGC Pop report, but without an image I can't designate which Type it is, so he currently remains unconfirmed in all 3 W573 Types ).

Shown below is the Al DeVormer W573 Type 1 and W573 Type 3. Note the updated Boston team designation on the Type 3 card.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Nice cards you used to own Leon. I guess they would be considered W573...

Brian

I believe I used W573/F-Unc (for food), W573/H-unc (general ad), W573/D-unc (dairy and baking). I use the same system with some other issues too. Whatever makes sense to ya', right?

So for this set of Fatima blank back postcards I use T-unc/Pc-unc

[tkd]

Has anyone noticed the Ruth type 3 seem to all have print spots/dots? I don't recall seeing a type 3 Ruth without those.