NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for BSelling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on Ebay
Pre-WWII Cards
Post WWII Cards
Vintage Memorabilia
Babe Ruth Cards
Ty Cobb Cards
Lou Gehrig Cards
Mickey Mantle Cards
Goudey Cards
Bowman Cards
T205s on Ebay
Tobacco "T" Cards
Caramel "E" Cards
Vintage Baseball Postcards
Football Cards on Ebay
Exhibit Cards
Strip Cards
Baking Cards
Sporting News
Playball Cards on Ebay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:28 AM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is online now
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 29,916
Default Thomas Killeen "Tombocombo" And His 52 Topps? Weird Bids - Ending Tonight on Ebay

Interesting bidding. Hopefully Thomas can explain the situations. I was shown this on another forum (BO) through a PM.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg comb1.jpg (35.2 KB, 958 views)
File Type: jpg comb2.jpg (41.1 KB, 973 views)
File Type: jpg comb3.jpg (51.4 KB, 970 views)
File Type: jpg comb4.jpg (66.4 KB, 972 views)
File Type: jpg comb5.jpg (61.5 KB, 968 views)
File Type: jpg comb6.jpg (41.9 KB, 962 views)
File Type: jpg comb7.jpg (58.4 KB, 964 views)
File Type: jpg comb8.jpg (53.3 KB, 965 views)
File Type: jpg comb9.jpg (69.4 KB, 968 views)
__________________
Leon Luckey

Last edited by Leon; 01-24-2021 at 11:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:34 AM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

thannks Leon, ive been cancelling bids to leave him holding the bag.
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-24-2021, 09:11 AM
Schlesinj Schlesinj is online now
Jamie
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 76
Default

I have bid on 4 of his cards (and currently winning a few) and saw a user name several accounts with 1,063 feedback with s**l user name, interesting...

How do you even cancel a bid? Does that hurt my meager less than 200 feedback?
__________________
BST h2oya311

Last edited by Schlesinj; 01-24-2021 at 09:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-24-2021, 10:36 AM
doug.goodman doug.goodman is offline
Doug Goodman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waiting out the Zombie Apocalypse instead on being on tour somewhere
Posts: 3,109
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlesinj View Post
I have bid on 4 of his cards (and currently winning a few) and saw a user name several accounts with 1,063 feedback with s**l user name, interesting...

How do you even cancel a bid? Does that hurt my meager less than 200 feedback?
Check the bid history, the shilling is pretty obvious (usually).

Nothing will hurt your feedback, because as a buyer nobody really cares.

I'm the reason that high bidder on the Howie Fox card has the 13 highest bids.

If somebody were to bid $2991 it would not be quite enough to become the high bidder...

Although in 24 minutes I wouldn't be surprised if the current high bidder were to cancel his bids

Last edited by doug.goodman; 01-24-2021 at 10:37 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-24-2021, 10:41 AM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 4,938
Default

Things that make you go, Hmm.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-24-2021, 11:14 AM
hammertime hammertime is online now
Andy Wa.lko
member
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Virginia
Posts: 53
Default

It's possible someone with the same feedback score bid on it right? I'm pretty sure ebay won't let you bid on your own auctions.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-24-2021, 11:27 AM
doug.goodman doug.goodman is offline
Doug Goodman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waiting out the Zombie Apocalypse instead on being on tour somewhere
Posts: 3,109
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime View Post
It's possible someone with the same feedback score bid on it right? I'm pretty sure ebay won't let you bid on your own auctions.
Well, anything is "possible", I have friends who tell me March 4 is when Trump becomes the president again.

The auctions are via probstein, so not "his own" auctions exactly.

The seller has two ebay handles of their own, yet uses a known shill seller for his collection, that's a couple red flags already, in my mind.

The "coincidence" of a shared feedback rating is a bit too much for my tastes.

Doug "but hey, maybe, could be. You should bid $2991 on the Fox" Goodman

Last edited by doug.goodman; 01-24-2021 at 11:34 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-24-2021, 11:37 AM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime View Post
It's possible someone with the same feedback score bid on it right? I'm pretty sure ebay won't let you bid on your own auctions.
That's why he submitted them to Probstein... consignors shilling their auctions there or on PWCC is commonplace. But no, eBay doesn't do shit about it.

Has anyone notified Rick to see if he'll cancel the auctions?
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:21 PM
tombocombo tombocombo is offline
thomas c killeen
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: boston ma
Posts: 229
Default guilty as charged

1952 topps bids
tck6286

Fri, Jan 22, 2:46 AM (2 days ago)

to Hank

I wish to have transparency as always in my life. Yes I did bid on a few of the cards for these specific reasons.
1) my decision was quick and regretted the Leo Durocher
2) none of the cards that directly affect the registry were bid on as the top pops will be bid in an open manner. Most of the top pops have zero or 1 or 2 bids presently.
3) a father and son team with an eBay rating of 1 were upset i was selling and can only bid on 10 items. They called and asked for bids on HOF cards and Red Sox which I did. ( they do not affect any other bids.) None of you need $20 commons in a PSA 1
4) putting a bid of 20% to 30% of value a few cards to stimulate bidding in general i do not see as detrimental to bidding outcome.
5) if Ted will tell me what cards he likes I will make every effort to see they sell as high as possible to repay all he has done to me and the group inflating and years of shillings and market manipulation. So please ask him to specifically state what cards he wants as I thought he liked overinflated prices to protect his assets.
6) I see the auction as very beneficial to the signed set community as it is bringing attention this esoteric market.
7) the three top set holders have a 209 Howie Fox and this attention only brings value to
theirs.
8) I will sincerely miss the camaraderie of Hank, Tom. In a perverse way Ted will be missed also as I believe the set is truly important to him. He just needs a better understanding of rules of engagement and civility.
9) Had another man ask tonight if I would bid a few cards for him tonight and I would have; however he was disappointed as I just don't think it is worth it.
Tom killeen

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

this is an email i sent to another collector of signed 1952 topps set on Friday January 22nd. Of course i regret my decision and can not undo it. In reality had second thoughts on my decision selling off my set so quickly. Yes this is aslo not the publicity or reputation one wishes to not to have garnered; however I did do these things. tom killeen
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:27 PM
Lorewalker's Avatar
Lorewalker Lorewalker is offline
Chase
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 284
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swarmee View Post
That's why he submitted them to Probstein... consignors shilling their auctions there or on PWCC is commonplace. But no, eBay doesn't do shit about it.

Has anyone notified Rick to see if he'll cancel the auctions?
Sadly it goes on with auction sites outside of ebay, still, much more than one would think and not just by dealers but lots of collectors too, protecting their cards.
__________________
( h @ $ e A n + l e y
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:28 PM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is online now
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 29,916
Default

Thanks for the explanation...

Quote:
Originally Posted by tombocombo View Post
1952 topps bids
tck6286

Fri, Jan 22, 2:46 AM (2 days ago)

to Hank

I wish to have transparency as always in my life. Yes I did bid on a few of the cards for these specific reasons.
1) my decision was quick and regretted the Leo Durocher
2) none of the cards that directly affect the registry were bid on as the top pops will be bid in an open manner. Most of the top pops have zero or 1 or 2 bids presently.
3) a father and son team with an eBay rating of 1 were upset i was selling and can only bid on 10 items. They called and asked for bids on HOF cards and Red Sox which I did. ( they do not affect any other bids.) None of you need $20 commons in a PSA 1
4) putting a bid of 20% to 30% of value a few cards to stimulate bidding in general i do not see as detrimental to bidding outcome.
5) if Ted will tell me what cards he likes I will make every effort to see they sell as high as possible to repay all he has done to me and the group inflating and years of shillings and market manipulation. So please ask him to specifically state what cards he wants as I thought he liked overinflated prices to protect his assets.
6) I see the auction as very beneficial to the signed set community as it is bringing attention this esoteric market.
7) the three top set holders have a 209 Howie Fox and this attention only brings value to
theirs.
8) I will sincerely miss the camaraderie of Hank, Tom. In a perverse way Ted will be missed also as I believe the set is truly important to him. He just needs a better understanding of rules of engagement and civility.
9) Had another man ask tonight if I would bid a few cards for him tonight and I would have; however he was disappointed as I just don't think it is worth it.
Tom killeen

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

this is an email i sent to another collector of signed 1952 topps set on Friday January 22nd. Of course i regret my decision and can not undo it. In reality had second thoughts on my decision selling off my set so quickly. Yes this is aslo not the publicity or reputation one wishes to not to have garnered; however I did do these things. tom killeen
__________________
Leon Luckey
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:45 PM
doug.goodman doug.goodman is offline
Doug Goodman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waiting out the Zombie Apocalypse instead on being on tour somewhere
Posts: 3,109
Default

Good of him to send you that message Leon

The bidding pattern for Howie Fox is still not good...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:50 PM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is online now
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 29,916
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by doug.goodman View Post
Good of him to send you that message Leon

The bidding pattern for Howie Fox is still not good...
In that message from Thomas above, it says it was to Hank. I was just thanking Thomas for responding. Nothing more or less.

.
__________________
Leon Luckey
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-24-2021, 12:58 PM
tombocombo tombocombo is offline
thomas c killeen
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: boston ma
Posts: 229
Default

It was an email i had sent two days ago to another board member expressing my regrets, actions, and general feelings.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-24-2021, 02:15 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

if Ted will tell me what cards he likes I will make every effort to see they sell as high as possible to repay all he has done to me and the group inflating and years of shillings and market manipulation. So please ask him to specifically state what cards he wants as I thought he liked overinflated prices to protect his assets.


I just have to laugh. Usually I wouldnt engage, but this is classic. Did you try all morning to come with this, and that's the best you could do? You acted the fool and got caught. You are bidding on 100 of you OWN auctions.


There was a total of ONE signed 52 topps card I didnt pay for,and i bought it for half the next week. However, I will string bid your tired ebay IDs up to just before your silly .88 on the end. Well you did .22 a few times and I had to buy the card. It was worth it.

Btw a little birdies told me about your Mantle deal. You are not "serving the community" buy dumping them all at once, you are trying to avoid sales tax in the psa 6oc mantle you paid 50k for from probstein by, using consignments. The single WORST way to dump a set.

You ALWAYS could have cancelled you bid. In this hobby, you are now six feet under a snakes belly.
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-24-2021, 02:26 PM
Rhotchkiss's Avatar
Rhotchkiss Rhotchkiss is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 2,444
Default

Not a good look to bid on your own auctions, period.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-24-2021, 02:28 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Just as a note, I dont need any of the cards you are shilling, ahem, selling.

Did you email Hank about the nippy jones you outbid him on. A friggin psa 3MC Nippy jones?? really trying to MAX out those prices eh? Hw long did it take you see go through the sets and see who needed upgrades? You are so transparent.


I honestly wouldnt pee on your cards if they were on fire. Although I would hope the fire wouldn't spread, there are better uses for my urine.

You left a virtual footprint a mile long. For someone who claims they play chess, this wasnt exactly the Queen's gambit, it was child's play, a ROOKie move.

Check Mate, and really sad to see you go
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-24-2021, 02:29 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tombocombo View Post
It was an email i had sent two days ago to another board member expressing my regrets, actions, and general feelings.
I alerted Hank you were doing this, and he didnt respond... on 1/22

HA, just spoke to Hank! He told me how he saw my email WHILE HE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH YOU, and AFTER he told you, you sent your apology!


You CANT make this shit up!
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403

Last edited by Republicaninmass; 01-24-2021 at 02:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-24-2021, 03:00 PM
7nohitter's Avatar
7nohitter 7nohitter is offline
Member
And.rew Mil.ler
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: MA
Posts: 1,466
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tombocombo View Post
1952 topps bids
tck6286

Fri, Jan 22, 2:46 AM (2 days ago)

to Hank

I wish to have transparency as always in my life. Yes I did bid on a few of the cards for these specific reasons.
1) my decision was quick and regretted the Leo Durocher
2) none of the cards that directly affect the registry were bid on as the top pops will be bid in an open manner. Most of the top pops have zero or 1 or 2 bids presently.
3) a father and son team with an eBay rating of 1 were upset i was selling and can only bid on 10 items. They called and asked for bids on HOF cards and Red Sox which I did. ( they do not affect any other bids.) None of you need $20 commons in a PSA 1
4) putting a bid of 20% to 30% of value a few cards to stimulate bidding in general i do not see as detrimental to bidding outcome.
5) if Ted will tell me what cards he likes I will make every effort to see they sell as high as possible to repay all he has done to me and the group inflating and years of shillings and market manipulation. So please ask him to specifically state what cards he wants as I thought he liked overinflated prices to protect his assets.
6) I see the auction as very beneficial to the signed set community as it is bringing attention this esoteric market.
7) the three top set holders have a 209 Howie Fox and this attention only brings value to
theirs.
8) I will sincerely miss the camaraderie of Hank, Tom. In a perverse way Ted will be missed also as I believe the set is truly important to him. He just needs a better understanding of rules of engagement and civility.
9) Had another man ask tonight if I would bid a few cards for him tonight and I would have; however he was disappointed as I just don't think it is worth it.
Tom killeen

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

this is an email i sent to another collector of signed 1952 topps set on Friday January 22nd. Of course i regret my decision and can not undo it. In reality had second thoughts on my decision selling off my set so quickly. Yes this is aslo not the publicity or reputation one wishes to not to have garnered; however I did do these things. tom killeen
Friggin Idiot.
__________________
Working on the 1957 Topps set.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-24-2021, 03:07 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Don't see any mention of this on Collector's Universe PSA message board. Anyone want to post it over there to warn them?

Or on that other message board?

I already informed the Sports Collectors Daily Facebook page; maybe they'll update their article from last week.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-24-2021, 03:08 PM
7nohitter's Avatar
7nohitter 7nohitter is offline
Member
And.rew Mil.ler
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: MA
Posts: 1,466
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swarmee View Post
Don't see any mention of this on Collector's Universe PSA message board. Anyone want to post it over there to warn them?

Or on that other message board?

I already informed the Sports Collectors Daily Facebook page; maybe they'll update their article from last week.
It's been posted on BO
__________________
Working on the 1957 Topps set.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-24-2021, 03:26 PM
roarfrom34 roarfrom34 is offline
Bill H@e1ig
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Keystone State
Posts: 1,088
Default

and Hank is????
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-24-2021, 04:30 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Looks like it's Henry Levy:
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...hs-basic/13985

So Tom, why didn't you just get Rick to remove your items from sale instead of shilling them if you had a change of heart?
And why shill with multiple accounts; to avoid being caught longer?
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-24-2021, 04:36 PM
Schlesinj Schlesinj is online now
Jamie
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 76
Default Again with different name within last hour

IMG_2768.jpg

Another person with 186 feedback? Sorry it is Warren Spahn if interested. Not skilled with this phone.
__________________
BST h2oya311

Last edited by Schlesinj; 01-24-2021 at 04:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01-24-2021, 04:37 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Images waaaay too small to read.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01-24-2021, 04:46 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swarmee View Post
Looks like it's Henry Levy:
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...hs-basic/13985

So Tom, why didn't you just get Rick to remove your items from sale instead of shilling them if you had a change of heart?
And why shill with multiple accounts; to avoid being caught longer?


Yes, that Hank and his son Scott. Both members here whom I alerted

Jan 21, 2021, 3:08 PM to Thomas actions.


a day before Tom sent him the supposed email. To reiterate, he was on the phone with Tom when it was recieved!


Why spread the bids 60% on each account?
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 01-24-2021, 04:50 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlesinj View Post
Attachment 437232

Another person with 186 feedback? Sorry it is Warren Spahn if interested. Not skilled with this phone.
eBay changed the way their obscure the usernames multiple ways in the past year, seemingly to make it harder for people to find shilling. Kind of like PWCC now has every auction set as Private listing, where you can no longer see any information about bidders. You know, that Salt of the Earth Brent and his band of fellow tax-evaders.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 01-24-2021, 05:10 PM
Flintboy Flintboy is offline
Br1an N0Iff
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 131
Default

So is it acceptable for me to call up a consigner and have that person bid their auctions up on a third party platform? Just place the bid yourself or donít bid. It really isnít that difficult.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 01-24-2021, 05:14 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintboy View Post
So is it acceptable for me to call up a consigner and have that person bid their auctions up on a third party platform? Just place the bid yourself or donít bid. It really isnít that difficult.
Shill bidding is unacceptable on eBay, given that it's against their Terms of Service. Doesn't matter if it's a friend or a coworker or your buying account or the consignment firm themselves.
Shill bidding/hidden reserve bidding is illegal in most states. It is not illegal in Texas if you're informed it could happen, so that is why Heritage Auctions is headquartered in Texas and has Rule 21 in their Terms.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 01-24-2021, 05:22 PM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is offline
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 6,699
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swarmee View Post
Shill bidding is unacceptable on eBay, given that it's against their Terms of Service. Doesn't matter if it's a friend or a coworker or your buying account or the consignment firm themselves.
Shill bidding/hidden reserve bidding is illegal in most states. It is not illegal in Texas if you're informed it could happen, so that is why Heritage Auctions is headquartered in Texas and has Rule 21 in their Terms.
Isn't it OK as long as you pay for the item and eBay gets their fees? Pretty sure this has been discussed on here several times.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 01-24-2021, 05:33 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnorth View Post
Isn't it OK as long as you pay for the item and eBay gets their fees? Pretty sure this has been discussed on here several times.
Not according to law or the eBay TOS, AFAIK. Whether or not people do it is different than whether or not it's legally acceptable. And that's how I explain acceptable. This explanation seems like something PWCC would be on board with, though.

Again, if it's written into the auction house's terms of service (which I realize most people don't read), then it's acceptable. If not, it's a slippery slope which culminates in fraud.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01-24-2021, 06:29 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

So tom how can people out bid you

At a glance... stimulating bidding on

Actually YOU ARE winning

Posedale at 102.50
Burgess at 202.50
Meyer 119.50
Abram at 92
Black 355


That was out 5 of 6 I checked you are winning You actually bid on the 6th I checked,
adcock with oldstuffsells at 213, now a bidder with 1 feedback Is in the lead.

You apology email to Hank, notice none to the community, had one truth. You ARE transparent!
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403

Last edited by Republicaninmass; 01-24-2021 at 06:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:08 PM
doug.goodman doug.goodman is offline
Doug Goodman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waiting out the Zombie Apocalypse instead on being on tour somewhere
Posts: 3,109
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnorth View Post
Isn't it OK as long as you pay for the item and eBay gets their fees? Pretty sure this has been discussed on here several times.
It might be ok, but it's wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:16 PM
bks14sr bks14sr is offline
Bill
member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 128
Default

Well damn, was watching the Joe Black, soured with itís quick increase. I wonder how often this BS happens. Likely getting dimed on every buy it seems.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:31 PM
Schlesinj Schlesinj is online now
Jamie
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 76
Default

Actually I am losing on the Enos Slaughter by the S**L (1,063). I am sure someone will outbid that one.
__________________
BST h2oya311

Last edited by Schlesinj; 01-24-2021 at 07:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01-24-2021, 07:33 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Joe black, tom in the lead at 415
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01-24-2021, 10:29 PM
doug.goodman doug.goodman is offline
Doug Goodman
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waiting out the Zombie Apocalypse instead on being on tour somewhere
Posts: 3,109
Default

never mind

Last edited by doug.goodman; 01-24-2021 at 11:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01-25-2021, 06:17 AM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Tom, you are STILL in the lead on YOIR consignments. Why havent you cancelled your bids?
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 01-25-2021, 07:24 AM
jchcollins's Avatar
jchcollins jchcollins is offline
J0hn Collin$
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: NC
Posts: 2,138
Default

Wow. This is really bad. If Tombo had sellers regret, why wouldn't he call up Rick and cancel? I was not naive enough to think that all shilling on eBay was a thing of the past, but this is just way obvious. Bad...
__________________
Prewar type cards. Postwar stars & HOF'ers. 1967 & 1972 Topps sets.

Last edited by jchcollins; 01-25-2021 at 07:39 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 01-25-2021, 08:17 AM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

cards he didnt shill up literally did 10% of last sales. clearly backlash from signed set collectors.


This did NOTHING to benefit the signed set community. It was away for Tom of AVOID (evade) sales tax on the 52 Mantle psa 6oc he purchased for 49,999 from Probstein weeks earlier.
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 01-25-2021, 10:12 AM
Flintboy Flintboy is offline
Br1an N0Iff
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Republicaninmass View Post
Tom, you are STILL in the lead on YOIR consignments. Why havent you cancelled your bids?


Maybe more people called him up and asked him to place bids on their behalf....
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 01-25-2021, 10:19 AM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Zing! People havebasled why I would care, since it would "lift " prices. Simply put , it just ain't right, and it obviously NO way to sell a whole set

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 01-25-2021, 11:03 AM
griffon512 griffon512 is offline
James
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 344
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlesinj View Post
Attachment 437232

Another person with 186 feedback? Sorry it is Warren Spahn if interested. Not skilled with this phone.

That bidder with 186 feedback on eBay was me, and I can assure you I'm not in cahoots with anyone. I happen to have 186 feedback on eBay, and there are many more on eBay that have 186 feedback. Maybe tomorrow it will be 187. I also bid on the Bob Feller if you see someone with 186 feedback in the bidding history there.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 01-25-2021, 12:35 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

Yes, the other ID was same feedback number.


I spoke to rick and had both IDs blocked from further bidding before this went viral
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 01-25-2021, 07:37 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 5,698
Default

According to a post on Blowout by the guy who first posted, he contacted Rick Probstein to notify him before his posts and Rick responded.

So Rick was aware of the shilling in his auction and did nothing to stop it, after being directly notified. No cancellations of the auctions, no cancellations of the seller bids, nothing.

Quote:
Vintagecollect
In Rick's defense (covering my head on my knees for incoming mortars) I email him to ask to block the IDs before I went public. He did so in a matter of minutes, and sent me a screen shot of it done
Pitiful.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 01-25-2021, 07:40 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

He wrote that he contacted rick and rick blocked both Tom's IDs. But bids werent cancelled

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 01-26-2021, 04:02 PM
Republicaninmass Republicaninmass is offline
T3d $h3rm@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 6,176
Default

And that's just with one seller

Shilling ends tonight



SmartSelect_20210126-152937_Seeking Alpha.jpg
__________________
"Trolling Ebay right now" ©

NEED THE FOLLOWING 1952 topps

G TO VG-EX

(TONS TO TRADE, HIGHS LOWS, VARIATIONS, ERRORS)

317
322
328
334
345
347
354
355
357
366
375
386
399
403
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 01-27-2021, 09:42 AM
timzcardz timzcardz is offline
T!M R10rd@n
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 757
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tombocombo View Post
1952 topps bids
tck6286

Fri, Jan 22, 2:46 AM (2 days ago)

to Hank

I wish to have transparency as always in my life. Yes I did bid on a few of the cards for these specific reasons.
1) my decision was quick and regretted the Leo Durocher
2) none of the cards that directly affect the registry were bid on as the top pops will be bid in an open manner. Most of the top pops have zero or 1 or 2 bids presently.
3) a father and son team with an eBay rating of 1 were upset i was selling and can only bid on 10 items. They called and asked for bids on HOF cards and Red Sox which I did. ( they do not affect any other bids.) None of you need $20 commons in a PSA 1
4) putting a bid of 20% to 30% of value a few cards to stimulate bidding in general i do not see as detrimental to bidding outcome.
5) if Ted will tell me what cards he likes I will make every effort to see they sell as high as possible to repay all he has done to me and the group inflating and years of shillings and market manipulation. So please ask him to specifically state what cards he wants as I thought he liked overinflated prices to protect his assets.
6) I see the auction as very beneficial to the signed set community as it is bringing attention this esoteric market.
7) the three top set holders have a 209 Howie Fox and this attention only brings value to
theirs.
8) I will sincerely miss the camaraderie of Hank, Tom. In a perverse way Ted will be missed also as I believe the set is truly important to him. He just needs a better understanding of rules of engagement and civility.
9) Had another man ask tonight if I would bid a few cards for him tonight and I would have; however he was disappointed as I just don't think it is worth it.
Tom killeen

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

this is an email i sent to another collector of signed 1952 topps set on Friday January 22nd. Of course i regret my decision and can not undo it. In reality had second thoughts on my decision selling off my set so quickly. Yes this is aslo not the publicity or reputation one wishes to not to have garnered; however I did do these things. tom killeen


10) No animals were harmed in the bidding on these cards.




Now THAT'S better!
__________________
Collector of all things Ripken, Yankees, 1958, and whatever strikes my fancy at the moment.

Successful transactions with:
300dw123, autograf, bn2cardz, buymycards, CobbvLajoie1910, Daves_resale_shop, frankbmd, GoCubsGo32, GoldenAge50s, GrayGhost, Head928, Jayworld, jdl860, jgmp123, kamikidEFFL, larrie804, Leerob538, lharri3600, Lordstan, megalimey, Orioles1954, quinnsryche, Rob D., SAllen2556, scmavl, slantycouch, slipk1068, thetruthisouthere, Wolfgang427, yanks12025, ZackS
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ending Tonight!!v 2/14/16 - Net54baseball Member Auctioning T206 Collection Leon Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 38 02-20-2016 05:50 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:31 AM.


ebay GSB