2022 topps fat packs slim packs

[G1911]

Fat pack is a term to denote the larger packs, large in count of cards. Usually these are retail only packs and distinct from the hobby jumbo packs.

What you seem to be talking about is searching packs to try and ID the one with a thicker insert, by picking a pack that is thicker or weighs more. Many of these picks are thicker because of thicker blank ‘cards’ put into packs to try and discourage this practice. Many of us frown on this behavior and the people who take the packs they may profit on and leave nothing but junk to other shoppers, ruining the odds for anyone else.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

Fat pack is a term to denote the larger packs, large in count of cards. Usually these are retail only packs and distinct from the hobby jumbo packs.

What you seem to be talking about is searching packs to try and ID the one with a thicker insert, by picking a pack that is thicker or weighs more. Many of these picks are thicker because of thicker blank ‘cards’ put into packs to try and discourage this practice. Many of us frown on this behavior and the people who take the packs they may profit on and leave nothing but junk to other shoppers, ruining the odds for anyone else.

right but all the packs arent 'thick'. So what would be the point of buying the skinny packs. Not so sure you can frown on behavior for someone when there are 4 thick packs to just buy the skinny one.

The companies just need to put in 'blank' thick cards in EVERY pack and problem solved.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right but all the packs arent 'thick'. So what would be the point of buying the skinny packs. Not so sure you can frown on behavior for someone when there are 4 thick packs to just buy the skinny one.

The companies just need to put in 'blank' thick cards in EVERY pack and problem solved.

A 'skiny' pack can still contain the autograph card that is the main pull.

The vast majority of hobbyists frown on the pack weighers, searchers and feelers that raid retail supplies and ruin it for everyone else. Most are not going to advise about the most efficient ways of doing it. If you want to do it, knock yourself out.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

A 'skiny' pack can still contain the autograph card that is the main pull.

The vast majority of hobbyists frown on the pack weighers, searchers and feelers that raid retail supplies and ruin it for everyone else. Most are not going to advise about the most efficient ways of doing it. If you want to do it, knock yourself out.

if a skiny packs can be the main pull that there would be zero issue of someone pulling out the thicker packs..yet people are saying its 'frowned' upon...

why not make all the packs the same size...with dummy inserts in them all....its just silly with different widths in the same box of cards..same price ...

[G1911]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

if a skiny packs can be the main pull that there would be zero issue of someone pulling out the thicker packs..yet people are saying its 'frowned' upon...

why not make all the packs the same size...with dummy inserts in them all....its just silly with different widths in the same box of cards..same price ...

Thickness can help ID a relic, it won't ID most auto's as they are the same size as a base card.

If you want to search packs and be the scumbag with a scale trying to make $4 off a relic at Target so some kid can't get it, go right ahead and be that guy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

Thickness can help ID a relic, it won't ID most auto's as they are the same size as a base card.

If you want to search packs and be the scumbag with a scale trying to make $4 off a relic at Target so some kid can't get it, go right ahead and be that guy.

so you will go and take all the skinny packs to make $10 dollars so some kid can't get it? And leave just the thicker packs for the kids and everyone else.....


again it was just a question...its VERY noticeable when there are 10 packs in a box..and 3 of them are 3x thicker..i just asked a question.....

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right but all the packs arent 'thick'. So what would be the point of buying the skinny packs. Not so sure you can frown on behavior for someone when there are 4 thick packs to just buy the skinny one.

The companies just need to put in 'blank' thick cards in EVERY pack and problem solved.

I think you are missing the point and focused on the dummy cards, what was said is that “fat packs” denote quantity of cards (36) and skinny or normal packs have only 16. These are totally different items.

The name has absolutely nothing to do with weight or thickness over another of the same exact product.

If the seller is stating there is a special pull card in the pack it is called a “hot pack”.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think you are missing the point and focused on the dummy cards, what was said is that “fat packs” denote quantity of cards (36) and skinny or normal packs have only 16. These are totally different items.

The name has absolutely nothing to do with weight or thickness over another of the same exact product.

If the seller is stating there is a special pull card in the pack it is called a “hot pack”.

No i am talking about the boxes of packs at stores...same price...same amount of cards..though i think the pack says isays 17-22 cards or some numbers like that with a range....same price....why buy the noticeably skinnier packs from the same box/same price...if the special cards are only in the 'fatter' packs...one person said the autos could still be in the skinny packs so theres value in both..

thus if skinnier packs are as valuable as the fat packs in the same box/same price then problem is solved.....and no issue of anyone picking out the fatter packs since the skinnier ones may the most valuable


Again its the same box at walmart...same prices...but you visually see a much greater width in some of packs.

[G1911]

A fat pack is an actual type of pack that holds more cards than a base retail pack and costs more, exclusive too retail.

A pack that is thicker than other packs that are the same type of pack has 1) a thicker insert card like a relic or 2) a dummy fake insert.

Thickness is one of the several ways pack searchers try to find the good packs, so they can leave mostly junk for everyone else and maybe make a few bucks. It is heavily frowned on by most people. Not many are going to give advice on how to best search packs for profit.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by G1911

A fat pack is an actual type of pack that holds more cards than a base retail pack and costs more, exclusive too retail.

A pack that is thicker than other packs that are the same type of pack has 1) a thicker insert card like a relic or 2) a dummy fake insert.

Thickness is one of the several ways pack searchers try to find the good packs, so they can leave mostly junk for everyone else and maybe make a few bucks. It is heavily frowned on by most people. Not many are going to give advice on how to best search packs for profit.

OK so forget the fat pack terminology, will go with thicker.

i asked a simple question, it was whether the skinnier packs had an extra value versus the thicker/wider packs which have dummy inserts but also real inserts...the question was why would someone want to pick up the same price skinnier packs....it wasnt about how to search etc....

it appears the answer is the skinnier packs also can contain bonus cards..unless i misunderstood...thats all i was asking.....

if the skinner packs didnt have any extras, i didnt understand why someone would pick the skinnier packs....again same box/same price cards...

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

No i am talking about the boxes of packs at stores...same price...same amount of cards..though i think the pack says isays 17-22 cards or some numbers like that with a range....same price....why buy the noticeably skinnier packs from the same box/same price...if the special cards are only in the 'fatter' packs...one person said the autos could still be in the skinny packs so theres value in both..

thus if skinnier packs are as valuable as the fat packs in the same box/same price then problem is solved.....and no issue of anyone picking out the fatter packs since the skinnier ones may the most valuable


Again its the same box at walmart...same prices...but you visually see a much greater width in some of packs.

Okay, got it. Yes it was simply the wrong terminology you were using as "fat pack" is a completely differing item. I can roll with "thicker pack", lol.

To be honest, just as G1911 is stating, complete twits bring postal scales to the store and weigh each pack searching for small gram differences to ID inserts. If each and every pack had a dummy this would pull this safety out of the equation and each pack should again weigh the same. Mixing it up, throws at least a partial wrench is the way of the scammer.

For every action, a scam artist looks for a way. Just as the greatest losses at any grocery store comes from the self checkout lanes as the untoward weigh steaks as bananas and have false UPC codes on wrist bracelets the changes will evolve.

To put it simply, the companies try...some a**holes beat them, some do not. Personally I think the pack thickness makes zero difference and ignore completely.

Sealed boxes in the only way to go for me. This scamming goes well into the LCS market as well and has been going on since the Jordan collation of an unopened 1986 Fleer box was well known in the industry.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Okay, got it. Yes it was simply the wrong terminology you were using as "fat pack" is a completely differing item. I can roll with "thicker pack", lol.

To be honest, just as G1911 is stating, complete twits bring postal scales to the store and weigh each pack searching for small gram differences to ID inserts. If each and every pack had a dummy this would pull this safety out of the equation and each pack should again weigh the same. Mixing it up, throws at least a partial wrench is the way of the scammer.

For every action, a scam artist looks for a way. Just as the greatest losses at any grocery store comes from the self checkout lanes as the untoward weigh steaks as bananas and have false UPC codes on wrist bracelets the changes will evolve.

To put it simply, the companies try...some a**holes beat them, some do not. Personally I think the pack thickness makes zero difference and ignore completely.

Sealed boxes in the only way to go for me. This scamming goes well into the LCS market as well and has been going on since the Jordan collation of an unopened 1986 Fleer box was well known in the industry.

gotcha...still it would be very easy to make dummy or insert cards in every pack to weigh the same....its just strange to see the same packs in the same box for sale and same price and one pack is 3x thicker...

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

gotcha...still it would be very easy to make dummy or insert cards in every pack to weigh the same....its just strange to see the same packs in the same box for sale and same price and one pack is 3x thicker...

In actuality, it would be very easy to make the dummy cards weigh the same...but not the hits. Some have just jersey fabric, some shoe soles, patches, buttons, or ect. These can be all over, I think it would help the weigher's to add the dummies to them all as the gram differences would be easier to comp.

Hell, I have seen idiots using stud finders and small metal detectors to locate the foil autos and cards in the past in skinny packs. It's a constant battle and then when you actually find one the corners are trashed from the "pack feelers" molesting the poor pack for any wins too.

I can't imagine being a kid and the Simpson's Comic Book Guy has taken every chance for a win at 6 am when they opened.

[steve B]

They did put a dummy insert in each pack at one time. Maybe that got too expensive?
There was also a stretch where the packs with thicker inserts contained fewer cards overall so if the normal count was 15 and the special inserts were three cards thick the pack only got 12 cards.

That led to people thumbing the packs, looking for ones where part of the stack wouldn't fan out. They found the inserts, but usually damaged all the other cards....

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by steve B

They did put a dummy insert in each pack at one time. Maybe that got too expensive?

I remember that was when they had an RF chip on those dummies to avoid theft also. A simple app can find those and you know to just set it down and go for the one without.