New member cuban cards

[Roland 49]

Now you will see some images that I show for a question that they asked me why do the cards "Punch and Romeo and Juliet have the same portrait? This is a long explanation but I show you some images from my collection and I will tell you something about my research in The 80s when I collected tobacco rings before collecting baseball, I met the oldest workers in the Lithographic Company of Havana and I saw the files and samples that were shown to the clients and from there they chose the photos and the rings, those Rings with the faces of the Kings, were made for the different brands of tobacco that they sold to the Royal Houses and in the Palace, the King gave them to his visitors, in the baseball cards the same, in the samples and files they were for that the manufacturers chose, that is why the Romeo and Juliet say 1911, perhaps the series was printed but no copy is known or it was not printed, but being in the archives they decided to print go it in 1922.

[Roland 49]

Hello, if there are many fakes, the first I saw were the Billiken, at the beginning of the 90s, they were followed by the Nationals, La Cotorra Mineral Water, Polar Beer, some photos of the players of the Programs of the 59s, behind They gave him Aguilitas 2nd Artistic Series, lamentably absurd things were done to cheat and look for a few pesos, but some people fell into the trap, there is more, now there is the photo of the first Billiken that were falsified and others in a larger size also false.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you other fakes. The program for the 1950-51 season, they cut out the photos of the players to make cards and cheat, when I saw them I told the sellers that they were false, to break them, they did not do it and someone not knowledgeable bought them, that it happened many times unfortunately. As an example you will see a forgery of Dandridge as if they were Aguilitas from the artistic series, (at that time Dandridge was a child) and another by Roberto Ortiz, in this case Trinidad and Hno.

[Roland 49]

I show you other counterfeits of cards, made to cheat and look for a few dollars, from the collection of printed matter of the newspaper "Alert" they copied the photos and printed them card size and numbered them, you will see some false cards with propaganda of "Agua Mineral La Cotorra" .

[Roland 49]

They asked me to publish the photo of the Cienfuegos Start 1920 team. Satisfied?

[Roland 49]

I answer you, about 15 years ago they brought me 10 Topps 1955 with the stars, Clemente, Aaron William, Snider etc, I had a complete series, I showed them to the sellers so they could see that theirs were laser printed, that They returned them to the one who gave them to them, then they told me that they did not know they were false and they would return them, the next day a great friend of mine called Ruben calls me on the phone, and he tells me that he had bought a Topps 55 but that he was not sure if They were real, I told him what happened the day before and I asked him what he had paid, and he tells me $ 500 dollars, I am very sorry as they cheated my friend, to your question of, Have they falsified American cards? that is the answer..

[Roland 49]

Franco, you tell me you are interested in collecting Cuban cards, but you are worried about counterfeits, those began in the late 80s and 90s, and some in the early 2000s, many years ago none have appeared, apparently they were made of all One or two games to try, in the United States, there are very good collectors with great knowledge of Cuban cards and they can guide you, if I have touched on this topic it is for those who start so that they do not buy anything doubtful, but I think that if it is your idea You must follow it, since in the Cuban cards you will find very important cards, mainly from Negro Leagues players, greetings.

[Roland 49]

Hello, now I show you the rarest cards of the "Aguilitas Artistic Series" these are the "Pre-Aguiitas" I gave them that name and this is how it appears in my catalog because these cards appeared in the cigarette packs of propaganda to the series that It would come out weeks later, the cards on the front are the same portrait, but behind appears the propaganda of the series and its numbers according to the theme, very few of these were made and it is very rare to find any, I have only seen these in the series of baseball cards, in the photo we see the pack of cigarettes, and the card of Alejandro Oms, and its two backs.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you 4 cards from the collection, one for each team: Connors, Dandridge, Noble, and Manning, and the matchbox that included the cards.

[richardcards]

Thank you Rolando
For posting information on cuban cards.
In your opinion what is the rarest set or cards?
Romeo , Punch , Victoria, El indio, Campo Allegre
Fotos, Acebo?
How would you organize the most rare
in order.

Also do you have any information on
Fotos Magazine and Carteles Magazine
With Baseball Players on cover.
Best Regard
Richard

[richardcards]

Best Regard
Richard

[Roland 49]

Richard, I'm going to answer all your questions in different messages, as to how to organize them, look, I collect all the memorabilia of Cuban baseball that covers a lot in all its themes, as for the cards, I have most of them in their original albums complete in some cases, those that were never printed albums, those I have in folders with their plastic protectors, as for the rarest, I have my opinions, they are the rarest and most valued and the rarest and least valued, for example: some cards "Gener Cigars, Romeo y Julieta, Helados Hatuey, etc" are rarer than "Cabañas or Punch" but it all depends on the demand and interest of the collectors according to whether they collect all the cards or those of Major League Baseball players, Negro Leagues, Hall of Fame players, etc. All this is in terms of Cuban baseball cards, I will follow the explanation, as soon as you read this message you let me know. Greetings Richard.

[richardcards]

On scale from 1-5
which is most rare in population.

[Roland 49]

Richard, you tell me that you want to see magazines with baseball covers, there are hundreds, now there are three, if they are interested, let me know, they are very old, 2 of them and are more than 100 years old.

[richardcards]

I like magazine Carteles
with Baseball players on covers.
Thanks Richard

[Roland 49]

Richard, do you have some covers of the magazine "Carteles" that interest you?

[Jason19th]

A couple of years ago I picked up a scrapbook created by a player named Fransico Fernandez who appears to have played on a team called Buenavista in the Indepente league. The scrapbook includes photos and newspaper clippings. Any info on the team would be appreciated

[Jason19th]

Another image

[richardcards]

Yes Thank you.
Do you know how many different
came out with players.
I have the three you show me.

Also have Herrera from the
1920s is there any more 1920s
with ball players .

[Roland 49]

Hi Jason, I saw the newspaper clippings and my desire is to help as much as I can, but I need you to give me more information on what you have in that album, I'll explain the following to you, in the 40s and 50s they played in Cuba between 300 and 400 teams distributed in different leagues: 4 professionals, several Amateur leagues and several Semi - Pro leagues, in the latter, the Popular League, the Sugar League, the Pedro Betancourt League, the O. Divino League, and some more, some teams played alone one or two years, try to look to see if the year and other data appear, that Independent League may have been in the Semi-Pro, but of all these leagues there is little information but when you give me more data, I will continue looking, greetings

[Roland 49]

Richard, from the Carteles Magazine there are many images, there is also a collection of amateur players from the 40s, I will look for you more, now you have a Posters with the cover of Mike González, a Gente magazine with Adolfo Luque, and a Champion Magazine with M. Mantle, when you see them tell me if you have them.

[richardcards]

I have this Gente
but not the Carteles M.Gonzalez
only the Paito Herrera.
Some told me about the Miguel G
Carteles have been looking for one
a very long time.


Thanks Richard

[Roland 49]

Richard, a few years ago a man over 70 years old came to my house and he asked me about a Bohemian magazine, if I could have it, so I told him to come in 2 or 3 days to look for it, I found it and days later when he came back I showed it to him, the man was moved and told me, look at that boy with the bat is me, he told me that this photo was on January 6, 1949, the "Day of the Magi" and among the Gifts were balls, gloves and bats, and several of the boys went to the Santos Suarez Park, to play and the photographer from La Bohemia photographed them and told them that the photo would come out 3 days later, on January 9, 1949, and So it was, the father bought the magazine and everyone saw it, but the father kept it days later and they never saw it again, eventually they threw it away, and he had not seen that magazine again until the moment I showed it to him. , the man kept coming back to take a picture of him, I scanned it, but he never came back, I'll tell them that Santos Park Suarez is the park in my neighborhood of the same name, I also played ball in that place and almost every day I pass by, sometimes walking in my car, it is 5 blocks from my house (500 meters). from the Almanaque Deportivo Magazine, when you see them let me know.

[richardcards]

Nice story Rolando
Thanks for sharing .
I like Cuban cards and Magazines
Best Regards

[Roland 49]

Richard now gives you a cover of the Photos Magazine, with Monte Irvin, in a message a few days ago I showed a photo of Irvin signing a similar but bound magazine, at my house, you will see a Saturday Sports Magazine and the magazine "El Pais "You inform me when you see them, I'm looking for others.

[richardcards]

I Like these

Thanks Richard

[aljurgela]

enjoy

[Roland 49]

In this photo my friend Martin Dihigo son and I appear, it was taken at a lunch offered by an American to whom I helped him with many images for a documentary of the black leagues, that day he showed us part that was already edited that happened in In 2018, at present I do not know if that documentary was finished and exhibited. At the beginning of 2020, a friend of mine who is a member of net54, Kit, was at my house and gave me the sad news of the death of Dihigo Jr.

[Roland 49]

Al, you always showing very good and rare cards, the one from Salazar in Mexico I did not know, now I show you 2 rare cards, from the O. Diaz collection, the one from Dandridge and the one from Barnhil, do you have them?

[Roland 49]

Al, now I see that the image of Dandridge's card did not come out, now they are both, and part of a scan of all the "Punch" of the Almendares that appears in my catalog, those of O. Diaz do you have them?

[Roland 49]

Richard, I answer, from the collection of Matches "The Author" I do not know the amount, but I have more than 40 cards, each box of matches had 2, one in front and one in the back, I send you two for you to see, From the "Mejoral" collection, as you can see, the photos were in the booklet and they opened in the shape of an accordion, I have 3 complete booklets, but I have never seen the one from Cienfuegos, perhaps it was not printed, but I think so, if any that you see this thread has it please let me know.

[richardcards]

Thank you

[Roland 49]

Ricardo, I send you 2 covers of the magazine "Carteles". Do you know them?

[richardcards]

I have like 10.
Wonder how many more they made.
The ones u sent all 5.
I have.

Thanks Richard

[Roland 49]

Richard, there are many there is also the amateur collection, I now send you others but tell me the 10 you have to look for different ones.

[Roland 49]

I show you a postcard size card from Regino Otero, on the back it is blank, do any of those who see this thread know which collection it belongs to?

[Roland 49]

This collection of postcards of the 4 teams is quite extensive, behind it is blank, does any of the thread know the name of the collection?

[Roland 49]

3 days ago I received an email and they asked me how many Coca Cola cards were in the collection, I then asked, because there are several things of that brand in Cuban baseball, so he sent me a Havana card, then I posted one on the thread. card and yesterday a group of several, with the intention that some of you will answer the question, but I see that none have answered, I think it is because they do not know or because nobody is interested in this topic, many years ago I got the family of a seller of the brand a lot with these cards in their original envelopes sealed with the cards inside and previously a card from a sample book, which on the back, by mechanical means, the brand of the factory appeared printed, I plan to reply with photos to the persian who asked me, to your email, but if it is of interest to some of this thread, and they ask me, then I publish it here,

[richardcards]

Was gonna say Coca Cola but was not sure.

[Roland 49]

Richard, many years ago on ebay these cards were sold as if they were Coca Cola, I do not know who with a great ignorance invented this, a few days ago I connected and saw those cards for sale as Coca Cola, it is a serious error, inside I'm going to show his real name for a while, now they called me and I have to go out

[Roland 49]

Richard, I'm back, those cards belong to the collection "Sol de Oro" 1949, at the beginning of 2000, I bought a group inside its original label, sealed, it had never been opened, in a very good state of conservation, they were inside the Over more than 50 years, the collection of the 4 teams is numerous, they appear in Volume 2 of my catalogs, I think that many collectors did not know the name of this series, I would like some to comment on something and I would be grateful. I send you the photo of the label with the card that was inside.

[Roland 49]

A few days ago they asked me a question through my email and I decided that it should be known through the thread because I consider that it is important for collectors, since although that series is not one of the most important, but it has postcards from Dandridge and other players from the Black Leagues, no one that I know knew what trademark it belonged to, and I asked, Richard you were the only one who answered, so I published the photo of the original label with one of your postcards, I consider it important that collectors who have that Postcards know which series they belong to, I asked some of them to make a comment, but no one has, perhaps what is published by me is not interesting, but I am always ready to help you.

[Roland 49]

Richard, days ago you asked me to mention from 1 to 5 the cards that I consider rarer, I have already spoken about that, I think # 1 should be the "Punch" they are rare and in great demand, the rarest of this collection It is the photo card with the team members in a group, the players in their original photo, without the brown frame that borders them on the cards and a black frame on the 4 edges, it is a super rare piece, larger and the factory gave a gift just like the letters. From 2 to 5, without putting order, "Billiken" and "La Moda" these also have the rarest piece which are the individual photos 8 X 10 inches, super rare, I follow "Mallorquinas" "Cabañas" "Aguilitas" 2nd series, etc, all are in great demand but they are not the rarest,

[Roland 49]

Butch, how good that you are back, those are the Havana and Almendares cards that I have, I have to look for the poster to measure it, now I send you the Baby of Almendares, it is very rare, I think you have never seen it, by Panchon Herrera I have several things but I have to look for them, when you see the baby tell me, take care.

[scgaynor]

I think that I know where the Coca-Cola reference comes from.

About 1998 or 1999 I was visiting my friend Jeff Eastland and we were looking over his collection of Cuban Baseball memorabilia. In his collection was a magazine with an advertisement for Coca-Cola picturing these cards. For a few years after that I often had these cards for sale on ebay and referred to them as Coca-Cola cards. Remember in the late 90's not much was known about Cuban issues so I just used the information available to me at the time based on the evidence in the magazine.

[Topnotchsy]

So much to learn reading this thread. Thank you!

Not a card, but here's my biggest item from a Cuban great.

[Roland 49]

Scott, the first thing I will do is thank you for answering my request to comment on the writing of the "Golden Sun" and also give honest information and also the reason for your decision to put the cards on sale a long time ago as if they were from Coca Cola, what he said is correct, since their origin was never known before due to the lack of information, for my part I learned something new with you, and I am very happy that you participate in this thread, and I hope you continue to do so , thanks again and my regards to you.

[Roland 49]

Jeff, I am very happy that you like the information about the Cuban cards that appear in this thread, thank you for what you wrote.

[Roland 49]

Richard, you will see a cover but there are many such drawings, and one of the numbered series, of these there are 14 but they go inside the Carteles magazine, I don't know if you are interested, let me know.

[Roland 49]

Jason, I found this book on Semiprofessional Leagues this is from the Commercial League, which was one of the many leagues that existed, I send you photos of the 1945 cover, inside the 1944 records appear, you will see that Orestes Miñoso was the champion bat, that It was his last year of playing semi pro, I send you the photo of a team where Alejandro Oms played in his final stage as a player, and in that team Rafael Almeida was the manager, I will continue looking for some information about the Buenavista team, that was always a neighborhood that I was in Marianao, I don't know if you see this thread, but when you read it you let me know, greetings.