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Old 04-30-2005, 07:37 PM
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Posted By: David Vargha

And love to bag on PSA . . . here's a classic SGC card from the early days. EX/MT my eye! The back is even worse.


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Old 04-30-2005, 07:46 PM
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..with never did.

Some of the very first grading that SGC did when Merkle was there is pretty sloppy.

I don't think SGC would deny that.
They've matured a great deal since.

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Not a defense...just an observation.

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Old 04-30-2005, 07:53 PM
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Posted By: David Vargha

Personally, I like both services. However I'm not too fond of one their presidents.

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The SGC 98 Alcott N172 is a prime example. The back is completely tobacco stained and I doubt it could get an SGC 60 today.

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Jay, is there a picture of the Alcott available to see?

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A scan of the front used to be available on the BMW web site. The front looks great. It is the back that is stained and I have never seen a scan of that posted.

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I think this is it.

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Vargha,


Nevermind.....

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the back looks better than the front because it is borderless. Of course, the top edge of the front is borderless too

No one says they are infallible, just better than the rest.

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the PSA 6 SF Hess in REA had a nice tobacco stain on the front.

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How did you know we were thinking that !?!?!

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Old 05-01-2005, 02:30 PM
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Posted By: David Vargha

But that's "Vargha-Kreskin". You left out both the "h" and the hyphen.

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Old 05-01-2005, 06:59 PM
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How long would this thread be if all of the psa problems were posted?

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This is an SGC-bashing thread - please, let's stay on the thread topic!!!!!

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Posted By: David Vargha

It would probably be longer for two reasons:

1. The anti-PSA sentiment runs extremely high on this board.

2. PSA has graded a crap load of card compared to SGC.

I just find it amusing that there is this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad. The same reasoning process that is used in making rational discernment in everyday life often gets tossed out the window in issues that become overly-emotional for some. It's as humorous as listening to homers rant about the virtues of their particular sports team.

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Old 05-01-2005, 08:15 PM
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Posted By: David Vargha

You, too miss the point. I like SGC. I have submitted to them in the past and will do so in the future. I just don't attach godlike status to any organization that is run by humans.

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Old 05-01-2005, 09:06 PM
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"projection".

<<this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad. >>

Don't start a thread with your own agenda, then presume to get into our heads.

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Posted By: David Vargha

But since I didn't mention any names and you feel so compelled to answer, consider yourself already identified.

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So David what do you think of Joe "PSAPRES" Orlando?

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Posted By: David Vargha

I've said it before. IMO, Joe Orlando is an empty suit. He has obfuscated the truth on several issues with PSA; most notably WIWAG, the Rose Rookie and Dan's card. I think that he is bad for PSA and card collecting.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Heres a new form of a psa mistake,i personally have nothing against them but i didnt want to start a new thread for this card.This is their version of correcting a spelling problem that never happened.It appears that the makers of the t206s wanted to spell Pryor McElveen's name wrong but they didnt.PSA knew that and labeled this card as such

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Old 05-01-2005, 10:45 PM
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Posted By: Scott Forrest

David - why not try starting a thread to generate some positive discussion about vintage baseball? It's obvious that you are really into witty rebuttals, but we're here to discuss vintage baseball.

In any case, I should have known better than to open a "David Vargha" thread - from this point forward you can argue with yourself...as I'm sure you do often.

Adios.

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believe me-if you talked to David on the phone for an hour you would enjoy the guy here after and think well of him.It seems this is the case with a lot of people none of us have met face to face. He is really a good guy!

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Mikey! is that you??? Can I post this on the CU chat board under the handle "carbohydrate man" ???

guess I will go look over there to see if you are of course presently clocked in!

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Old 05-02-2005, 12:55 AM
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Posted By: jay behrens

The Baseball Card HOF came in at 53% good 47% evil.

Jay

I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Current results not including this post:


This site is certified 41% EVIL by the Gematriculator

This site is certified 59% GOOD by the Gematriculator

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Old 05-03-2005, 01:07 AM
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another "Vargha" thread of wisdom...notMay 2 2005, 12:45 AM

David - why not try starting a thread to generate some positive discussion about vintage baseball? It's obvious that you are really into witty rebuttals, but we're here to discuss vintage baseball.

In any case, I should have known better than to open a "David Vargha" thread - from this point forward you can argue with yourself...as I'm sure you do often.

Adios.



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ScottMay 2 2005, 1:19 AM

believe me-if you talked to David on the phone for an hour you would enjoy the guy here after and think well of him.It seems this is the case with a lot of people none of us have met face to face. He is really a good guy!




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Que es veritas?May 2 2005, 1:30 AM

"I just find it amusing that there is this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad."


Sorry David, but I just can't let this sort of pedantic rhetoric go unchallenged. In reality, SGC (Sportscard Guaranty, LLC) is 99% good and only 1% evil while PSA (Professional Sportscard Authenticator) is a mere 86% good and (should this be a surprise to anyone?) 14% evil.

See for yourself -- http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/

Next time, please do the research before committing yourself to such imprecise and reckless verbal abandon.



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erat est opugnio?May 2 2005, 1:34 AM

Mikey! is that you??? Can I post this on the CU chat board under the handle "carbohydrate man" ???

guess I will go look over there to see if you are of course presently clocked in!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/vaticanpopegermany

Cakeman-did you bid on this??????



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Posted By: Jim Crandell

I think SGC cards need to be looked at in two categories--Joe Merkel and prior and Derek and post Derek. I had some old SBC and SGC cards that were auction-house material and every company I approached(Lelands, Mile High, and others) said I would need to have them regraded by SGC. Some achieved their old grades, some did not, one was not deemed gradable.

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