Mantle Vintage Opinions - 10,000 thread asking about his signature

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

some of the new posters don't know that most people say autographs are fake which they may want to consider. when they are making their own decsion...and they don't have the time to look at old posts....

I guess what I said happens appears to occur even more than I realized...I did see someone agree that a gwynn was real though....anyway wasn't making a snide remark just letting the poster know what reactions are usually given....

im sure people say 'buy the card not the holder' more than once as well I guess they not allowed to say that either ever again..

Jake,
the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

Advising people that the majority of opinions here are that autos are fake has no bearing on reason or is of any significance to the person asking for advice. It is snide because it implies that those opinions are somehow borne out of something negative or biased. Your assessment of the percentage of times autos are thought to be real or not has no relationship to the real fact that most autographs on the market today are, in fact, fake. Knowing that percentage doesn't help the original posters in the slightest.

Personally, I would rather have someone who has nothing constructive to add to thread not post. Bad information is bad for the hobby. Considering you are a card collector, I would think it would be really helpful for you to post on card threads not on auto threads where your knowledge is obviously limited to regurgitating some obvious fact that means nothing without context. If that's all you have to add, then perhaps you shouldn't post.
M@rk

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

[tempertantrum] But the holder looks so KEWLLLLLL! Waaaahhhhhhh! [/tempertantrum]

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Jake,
the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

Advising people that the majority of opinions here are that autos are fake has no bearing on reason or is of any significance to the person asking for advice. It is snide because it implies that those opinions are somehow borne out of something negative or biased. Your assessment of the percentage of times autos are thought to be real or not has no relationship to the real fact that most autographs on the market today are, in fact, fake. Knowing that percentage doesn't help the original posters in the slightest.

Personally, I would rather have someone who has nothing constructive to add to thread not post. Bad information is bad for the hobby. Considering you are a card collector, I would think it would be really helpful for you to post on card threads not on auto threads where your knowledge is obviously limited to regurgitating some obvious fact that means nothing without context. If that's all you have to add, then perhaps you shouldn't post.
M@rk

so you agree that I am stating an obvious fact. (but I a regurgitating it).......its your opinion about whether I am helping original posters in the slightest or not.....I am not biased at all as I am not selling any auto cards..its my opinion that if I was a new poster id like to know what the typical responses are on the board..not sure why you care about me making 3 posts on the last 30 threads about an obvious fact to you but it maybe not obvious to a potential first time poster or new member just reading a thread...

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so you agree that I am stating an obvious fact. (but I a regurgitating it).......its your opinion about whether I am helping original posters in the slightest or not.....I am not biased at all as I am not selling any auto cards..its my opinion that if I was a new poster id like to know what the typical responses are on the board..not sure why you care about me making 3 posts on the last 30 threads about an obvious fact to you but it maybe not obvious to a potential first time poster or new member just reading a thread...

Well. Perhaps 99% isn't really correct, but it is certainly true of the vast majority of opinions given. It is also an obvious fact that most autos people ask opinions on are fake and we tell them so.

Yes, you are biased. It has nothing to do with whether you sell autos or not. It has to do with the fact that you make a statement that that while it may be close to true, is left half finished as to make a specific impression. By leaving the statement as you wrote it, it implies that the posters here have some sort of a bias against autos that are posted.

The reason I care is because it is important for people to understand that the percentage of how we respond has no bearing on anything without the context that most autos for sale are fake.

You seem to be under the impression that knowing what the usual responses is of some sort of value. Why? What possible beneficial information can anyone glean from knowing that fact without any context?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Well. Perhaps 99% isn't really correct, but it is certainly true of the vast majority of opinions given. It is also an obvious fact that most autos people ask opinions on are fake and we tell them so.

Yes, you are biased. It has nothing to do with whether you sell autos or not. It has to do with the fact that you make a statement that that while it may be close to true, is left half finished as to make a specific impression. By leaving the statement as you wrote it, it implies that the posters here have some sort of a bias against autos that are posted.

The reason I care is because it is important for people to understand that the percentage of how we respond has no bearing on anything without the context that most autos for sale are fake.

You seem to be under the impression that knowing what the usual responses is of some sort of value. Why? What possible beneficial information can anyone glean from knowing that fact without any context?

I think you are able to explain the context on the next post if you have a problem with it.....you are making assumptions of what I meant by saying it and how it would be interpreted...perhaps it can be taken that way perhaps not...depends ...again I don't have a dog in the fight so not biased.....its not like I get the last word and the thread is locked.....you were easily able to address the comment...no harm no foul..

I think saying buy the card not the holder is obvious and doesn't need to be stated but I don't care if its said over and over again..doesn't bother me a bit....again it appears you basically agree with my premise.....some people may of just been snooped into buying a fake card and may find solace that fake autos happen a lot...who knows....but the fact I used 3 posts out of my around 1000 posts (currently at 886) I don't really think its that annoying or obstructive...I believe for most people who make 1000 posts...at least 3 of them will be very similar in viewpoint etc and nobody would call them out for that...I know I wouldn't care or bother to look at the post history...

still odd again because you do agree with what I said

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I think you are able to explain the context on the next post if you have a problem with it...its not like I get the last word and the thread is locked.....

I think saying buy the card not the holder is obvious and doesn't need to be stated but I don't care if its said over and over again..doesn't bother me a bit....again it appears you basically agree with my premise.....some people may of just been snooped into buying a fake card and may find solace that fake autos happen a lot...who knows....but the fact I used 3 posts out of my around 1000 posts I don't really think its that annoying or obstructive...I believe for most people who make 1000 posts...at least 3 of them will be very similar in viewpoint etc and nobody would call them out for that...I know I wouldn't care or bother to look at the post history...

still odd again because you do agree with what I said

It's not odd at all. You're making a statement that offers nothing to the Op regarding their item, but implies something negative about those giving the opinions. That is the part that bothers me. Your blanket statement implies that we say everything is bad, just because. That implication is not beneficial to the op as it calls into question, not only the validity of our opinions as being some rubber stamp knee jerk response, but also our motive for giving the opinions. This is not beneficial for the OP or the board. I asked you to explain what useful info can be gleaned from your statement, yet you didn't answer.
Consider this analogy. Let's say we're in a forum about testicular cancer. Someone asks about treatment options and results. Someone answers the person's question with the statement "Just want to let you know that a lot of people die from cancer." Now while that information is true, as a lot of people do die from cancer, it doesn't answer the OP's question and really offers nothing of benefit to the OP. Plus, the OP very possibly could take that statement to mean that his situation is pretty bad. This may or may not be the case and that general statement really isn't needed or helpful. Following that up with well, I'll leave it to others to clarify my statement, because my statement is true is ridiculous.

What's really odd is that out of 1000 posts, the only three posts on the autograph side have been the same thing. Is this all you have to add?

For the most part, you have a right to say what you want on this forum. I also have a right to take issue with what you say if I feel it is in some way detrimental to the conversation. I, and others, given the responses in this and the previous thread, obviously do. I have told you why I think it is detrimental. Now tell me why you think it's helpful.

[David Atkatz]

It's useless arguing with the idiot, Mark. He's never gonna admit his (continually-repeated) comment was snide, that its purpose was to denigrate posters here, and that (although true) it adds nothing to the conversation.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

It's useless arguing with the idiot, Mark. He's never gonna admit his (continually-repeated) comment was snide, that its purpose was to denigrate posters here, and that (although true) it adds nothing to the conversation.

+1

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

It's useless arguing with the idiot, Mark. He's never gonna admit his (continually-repeated) comment was snide, that its purpose was to denigrate posters here, and that (although true) it adds nothing to the conversation.

+1 He used to be just as bad on the card side. Luckily he is getting a little better.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

It's not odd at all. You're making a statement that offers nothing to the Op regarding their item, but implies something negative about those giving the opinions. That is the part that bothers me. Your blanket statement implies that we say everything is bad, just because. That implication is not beneficial to the op as it calls into question, not only the validity of our opinions as being some rubber stamp knee jerk response, but also our motive for giving the opinions. This is not beneficial for the OP or the board. I asked you to explain what useful info can be gleaned from your statement, yet you didn't answer.
Consider this analogy. Let's say we're in a forum about testicular cancer. Someone asks about treatment options and results. Someone answers the person's question with the statement "Just want to let you know that a lot of people die from cancer." Now while that information is true, as a lot of people do die from cancer, it doesn't answer the OP's question and really offers nothing of benefit to the OP. Plus, the OP very possibly could take that statement to mean that his situation is pretty bad. This may or may not be the case and that general statement really isn't needed or helpful. Following that up with well, I'll leave it to others to clarify my statement, because my statement is true is ridiculous.

What's really odd is that out of 1000 posts, the only three posts on the autograph side have been the same thing. Is this all you have to add?

For the most part, you have a right to say what you want on this forum. I also have a right to take issue with what you say if I feel it is in some way detrimental to the conversation. I, and others, given the responses in this and the previous thread, obviously do. I have told you why I think it is detrimental. Now tell me why you think it's helpful.

actually I did answer, I gave you one reason already......I told you that some people may feel better knowing fakes occur a lot if they found out they were cheated on a buy......yo seem to be against me repeating things..not sure why I have to repeat answers that you don't read

."....some people may of just been snooped into buying a fake card and may find solace that fake autos happen a lot. "

you may not think its beneficial but you said I ignored you and didnt give an example and I did......comparing cancer to baseball cards is pretty ridiculous that I not even going to consider that analogy...we are talking baseball cards here not cancer...I think its pretty offensive to talk about the two together ....my analogy about buy the card not the holder involves baseball card collecting....I not going to bring up cancer in an analogy.....

again you are taking issue in something I said that you agree with in the most part and I said in 3 out of 1000 posts....why all the arguing...

also if you are against doing things that aren't helpful....I don't see how its helpful to continue responding to my posts...I not attacking you at all.....some people have taken issue with things that I have said in different threads and others agreed........I got your point and you got my point... so be it...