Grading an autograph?

[mschwade]

I saw a Babe Ruth PSA Gem Mint 10 cut selling in an auction ending this weekend. Babe Ruth signed a lot and is generally in the 2500-3500 range. The Gem Mint 10 signature is currently at $5500 (wowsers) and we haven't even hit the final day yet. Does having it graded a 10 really add *THAT* much value? I bought a PSA Babe Ruth that was already slabbed and graded a 7 six years ago. Would it command more than the average if it's graded a 7? What would the dropoff be from say a 10 to 9? I just think $5500 is a huge number to pay for a Babe Ruth cut when there is plenty of his signatures out there and I'm assuming that the difference in eye appeal is not that great from a 10 to an 8. I've never had my autographs I'm selling graded, but based on this, I'm wondering if it might be worth it now.

Thanks,
Matt

[packs]

I don't know if the "10" factors into the price. Eye appeal is going to be the big decider and if you found a "7" and a "10" that looked similar I think you'd see a similar price.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know if the "10" factors into the price. Eye appeal is going to be the big decider and if you found a "7" and a "10" that looked similar I think you'd see a similar price.

I can tell you right now that I'd be shocked if my 7 came near $5K. I love my Ruth, but I'd be unfairly biased if I said it's worth $5k.

[packs]

Well you're only focused on the grade though. What I'm saying is that the grade I think comes secondary to serious collectors. If your 7 looks just like the signature graded a 10, regardless of the grade I think the price would be similar. But if your signature doesn't look as nice, it would make sense that it would sell for less, even without the 7 attached to it.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by packs

Well you're only focused on the grade though. What I'm saying is that the grade I think comes secondary to serious collectors. If your 7 looks just like the signature graded a 10, regardless of the grade I think the price would be similar. But if your signature doesn't look as nice, it would make sense that it would sell for less, even without the 7 attached to it.

+1

Just a single data point: I think most would agree I'm a "serious collector." I don't give a damn about PSA or JSA grades, and would never have an item of mine graded. (Or authenticated, for that matter.)

[travrosty]

Some people chase the number and in doing so, they can overpay if they want. yes, a nice dark ruth signature will garner more money, but some people see that number '10' and they get crazy with their pocketbook just because of it.

[tazdmb]

I think the other issue, especially with more modern signatures (like Mantle) is that something will grade a 10, and then fade to 9-8 over time. However, it is still "rated" a 10.

[tazdmb]

Oh, and to add what others have stated-I stand by the old line that someone once said here-I don't care if it is authentic, as long as it is real.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

I think the other issue, especially with more modern signatures (like Mantle) is that something will grade a 10, and then fade to 9-8 over time. However, it is still "rated" a 10.

Fade to a 9? How much fading is that? At what point did that 10 become a 9? Grading is completely subjective--and thus is bullshit.

And any serious autograph collector will tell you, it's the item that determines value, not the strength of the writing. Content, content, content.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Oh, and to add what others have stated-I stand by the old line that someone once said here-I don't care if it is authentic, as long as it is real.

+1

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Fade to a 9? How much fading is that? At what point did that 10 become a 9? Grading is completely subjective--and thus is bullshit.

And any serious autograph collector will tell you, it's the item that determines value, not the strength of the writing. Content, content, content.

I agree 100% .
The signature itself is the value and the strength of signature for the most part is only important in a few cases.
Value is the item type and CONTENT , if applicable.
This grading is a marketing ploy and another way the grading companies are interfering with the autograph market to line their pockets. If the grading companies have any value it should only be to determine authenticity. And their ability to do that is questionable also!!!

[packs]

I don't believe in autograph grading but I do happen to own a 10 for what that's worth:

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't believe in autograph grading but I do happen to own a 10 for what that's worth:

Do not want to be a smart ass but why is that a 10?
Does anyone know why?
Other than PSA saying it is .

[David Atkatz]

Isn't that enough?

[packs]

Haha I have no idea to be honest with you. To me it looks like any other sharpie signature without an obvious flaw, like a smear or fading. That was the point I was trying to make. I bought it because it was strong and looked good. The "10" could say anything and I'd have paid the same price.

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Isn't that enough?

I forgot PSA is the great and infallible judger of all...they may start issuing LOAs on humans and grading us also . Who knows maybe they will slab us also!

[mschwade]

Thanks guys and I agree on the content piece! Thanks!

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Fade to a 9? How much fading is that? At what point did that 10 become a 9? Grading is completely subjective--and thus is bullshit.

Agree. I've seen supposed "10s" that were dark and bold, but terribly sloppy examples. Is that more desirable than a textbook perfect exemplar that has a tiny amount of fading and graded an 8?

Just a marketing ploy for registry mind slaves in my opinion.

[mschwade]

$6500 before BP.... SMH.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

Do not want to be a smart ass but why is that a 10?
Does anyone know why?
Other than PSA saying it is .

Because it looks nothing like the printed signature on the card itself...