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Posted By: Paul
Ripken and Gwynn were elected in true landslides. Gossage was close. McGwire wasn't. |
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Posted By: Jason L
really needed to have a third electee to remain interesting. |
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Posted By: Mike
The HOF is a joke, and the writers who elect the players are an even bigger joke. Dante Bichette received three( yes, three...not one) votes. Enough said. |
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Posted By: Andy Baran
I'm hoping that Jim Rice, Rich Gossage, and Andre Dawson have a good shot at getting in next year. The only new candidate who has any legitimate chance will be Tim Raines. Ricky Henderson is the only legitimate candidate in 2009. Slim picking over the next couple of years. The only problem is that Jim Rice is almost at the end of his eligibility by the writers. |
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Posted By: Jason L
I think they all have a good shot (all had more than 50% this year, which is a good indication that they are still in the running...) |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
Jason, |
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Posted By: jP
cmon what a joke they gotta let Garvey in and eventually the "bulldog" |
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Posted By: DJ
One of my favorite players was former Blue Jays and Yankee infielder Tony Fernandez and it's good to see that he got four votes. |
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Posted By: Jason L
Tony Fernandez will need to be a write-in next year, because since he only garnered 0.7% of the vote this year (less than the 5% minimum), his name will be automatically dropped for future balloting. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Do we know the percentage of votes McGwire got? |
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Posted By: Jason L
McGwire got 23.5% |
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Posted By: joe brennan
The writers are a friggin joke. One writer left his ballot blank. That was to make sure than neither Ripken nor Gwynn were elected unanomously. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Wow- McGwire only got 23.5%, that's a dismal showing for sure. He is likely to never get in. How many players who show that poorly the first time make it to 75%? I would guess nobody ever has. And yes, the one vote for Jay Buhner had to be Frank Costanza. |
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Posted By: DJ
A write in? Tony is screwed! How about the Veteran's commitee? 2076? |
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Posted By: Griffin's
I"m betting the * next to Garvey means his last year on the writers ballot. |
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Posted By: Chris Bland
If youre gonna keep McGwire out for using performance enhancers, better check out all those players who popped greenies for a little extra boost and get them out of there. Also might want to kick out Cap Anson who was pivotal in keeping blacks out of baseball, Ty Cobb, who reportedly beat a man to death, etc etc. |
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Posted By: Bob
One of the 2 blank ballots sent in was by a sports writer who said he's not voting for anyone from the steroid era until the dust settles and we see who did and who didn't. Not saying I agree with him, that's just what he said. |
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Posted By: Aaron Cowan
It looks like Gossage, Rice and Dawson will have a good chance in the next couple of years. Considering that 83 votes went towards players who garnered less than %5, Gossage was 21 votes away, Rice was 63, and Dawson was 100. I can see Orel and Albert getting a very very little bit of consideration, but from O'Neill down why are those idiots throwing their votes away? The HOF is screwed up. Years ago they let in tons of people because the vets had fond memories of the fellow players. Now you have to truly dominate. Consider the dominant first basemen from the 90s to the present: Bagwell, Thomas, McGwire, McGriff, Pujols, Helton, Thome, Delgado, Palmeiro. I'm not saying all these guys deserve it, but how many will get in from one position. After all, the writers should consider how dominant a player was at their position in respect to the their contemporaries. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bob- Growing up in NY and being a Mets fan, I saw Seaver pitch regularly in his prime, and I have to tell you, he was as good as any pitcher I have ever seen. He had a rising fastball that was simply frightening. I'm not saying he is the best ever, but seeing him so often was a special treat. |
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Posted By: mark
Rice is on the bubble, but the modern players (1970-2001) are in a different era than the vintage guys (1890-1920). They should elect more players from the vintage era since it was a whole different ball game back then. Mcgwire will never get in |
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Posted By: Bob
Red Barber who has watched and called more games than anyone once said 5 years ago that if his life depended on the outcome of a game and he could choose one pitcher to pitch, he would choose Carl Hubbell. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Too young to have seen Grove, Hubbell, or Johnson- but I would guess nobody was in Johnson's class. I saw Palmer and Gibson in their prime, I remember Gibson's 1968 season vividly, and you just couldn't score a run off him. Palmer was a terror too. It's always tough to say who is best. |
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Posted By: Paul
Seaver was the best. The writers have spoken. (OK, so I was a four year old kid in NY when the '69 Mets won the world series, so maybe I'm biased). |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Paul- those are interesting numbers, but McGwire is the beginning of a long line of steroid users, most notably Sosa, Palmiero, and the granddaddy of them all- Bonds. Aparicio and Appling had no dirty laundry. We shall see. |
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Posted By: Paul
Barry, I agree. I don't think McGwire stands a chance with the writers unless (and I think it's unlikely) this year's vote was just a one-time protest to send some kind of a message. |
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Posted By: fkw
McGwire, Dawson, Rice will go in next year. They just made a statement with not voting in McGwire this year. Cant overlook his 70 HRs and crazy HR%. Best power of his era, and everyone stopped to watch his ABs. But then again Canseco had the same qualities 10 years earlier. |
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Posted By: Bob
I think Bonds gets in here in his 2nd year. The first year will be a protest vote, the 2nd year he gets in because he was a HOFer before he started juicing it. IMHO. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Many voters said they would vote for McGwire when the steroids cloud hanging over |
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Posted By: Bob
McGuire is a poor man's Harmon Killebrew, but the Killer played it clean. |
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Posted By: howard
I have no problem with ordinary players getting a vote or two. It has nothing to do with why Dawson, Rice and Gossage have not been elected. Writers know that certain players won't get in so they sometimes give a token vote to one or two of those guys for sentimental reasons. It may not be right but it's not as if those votes would instead have gone to more deserving players. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
No way McGwire gets in next year. Too far to go in votes and too many writers will object for years. I read an article recently in the NY Times I believe that noted that players not elected on the first ballot usually get elected in years in which there are NO first ballot HOFs elected. This explains why Gossage and, let's say, Rice, didn't get in this year but will next year as there are no clear first timers. Clearly Gossage belongs. In my mind, so does Rice, Dawson and Garvey. These guys dominated a decade or so of baseball. Isn't that enough? (Though I recognize that Garvey has no shot at this point except through the vet's committee) |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
Tom Terrific would probably be on my all-time greatest staff: |
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Posted By: Paul
And Andrew Parks is now on my list of favorite board members! |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
SWEET! |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
By the way - I just booked my Hall-of-Fame weekend. |
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Posted By: Dylan
I think its ridiculous to hold a player out of the Hall due to cheating. Cheating is a part of baseball and always has been. Ty Cobb once called baseball "as ungentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." Dextroamphetimine use has been rampent since atleast the 1940's. These media folks need to get off their high horse. You cant single out one player and punish him. I do understand waiting to vote the man in after the cloud clears up a bit but if he never gets in on the grounds of "cheating" that would be a travesty, because u might as well kick out 98% of the other guys in that case too. I have a book called it aint cheatin' if you don't get caught, and its all about the history and the incredible amount of cheating thats taken place in our national pastime. Its a fun read. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Dylan, |
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Posted By: Jason L
If you say it's ok to cheat, then why even play the game? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
In the Old West, if you were caught cheating at cards you were shot dead. If they |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Barry,to answer your question about someone having a lower vote total and making it. I dont know how many players have but one of my favorite being a Pirates fan is the fact in 1946 Paul Waner got 4 votes,a total that would now kick him off the ballot. He wasnt elected till 1952 |
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Posted By: peter chao
David, |
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Posted By: howard
Anyone think that McGwire facilitated the discovery of andro in his locker in order to deflect suspicions about illegal steroid use? |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I feel bad for McGwire because he didn't lie in a congressional hearing and he didn't deny using steroids like a few others did. He's the poster child of the steroid/HOF era. It's too bad that he's the first known candidate to be shunned because he's honest in that he didn't deny what he did. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I think it's tough to compare players from different eras based on numbers alone. Look at Mathewson's year in 1905: He won 32 - but 17 pitchers that year won at least 20. There were 219 shutouts that year in baseball and nearly 2000 complete games. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
McGwire won't be voted in before he discusses satisfactarily the issue to the public. |
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Posted By: whycough
I always enjoy reading the posts on subjects like this. I always wonder about some of the people who are allowed to vote for entrace into the hall: I wonder if they are old enough to have seen a Gossage or Rice play or how much they know about baseball's history. I think perhaps there should be some kind of test taken before voting rights are granted. I think that being a beat writer covering today's Major League scene might not be enough. |
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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
I was really pulling for Rice. Too bad. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: DMcD
"This is like deja vu all over again." -Yogi Berra |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I compare athletes using steroids to signing a contract with the Devil, and everyone knows how |
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