T210 Prices

[rdixon1208]

The subject of prices realized on recent T210 sales came up in the pick-up thread, and I wanted to touch on that some more, so I just started a new thread.

In reference to T206 prices, I've noticed that common T210's in let's say SGC 20 condition are fetching $40 - $80 each, where comon T206's would get about $20 - $25. But T210's in the SGC 60 range are getting something like $80 - $100.....about the same price as T206's in the same grade. What's up with that?

There was a T210 auction last week of a card that I wanted. It was graded SGC 30. I bid $97 on the card and lost. I was outbid by two people. A week later, and the same subject is auctioned off in a SGC 60 holder. I won it for $91.

T210's in high grade seem to be pretty hard to come by to me. Any thoughts on why the prices don't reflect that?

[Wite3]

One reason might be more competition for lower condition cards.

Joshua

[Bill Stone]

I think it depends on the series --a recent eBay auction of T-210 series 6 cards resulted in an average price of $111 for the SGC 30 cards however an SGC 20 sold for $223 and a SGC 10 sold for $214. I paid $ 147 for a PSA 2 card. None of those prices suprised me.

I agree with Bill on this one. I am only interested in T210 series 6 cards from the T210 set but the prices are much higher for them in that series. I think it depends on what series it is and the fact that some people go after a specific team in a series in some cases.

Tony Turner

[FrankWakefield]

I was watching some of those auctions, and bid in a few of them.

As difficult as this might be for some of you to understand, some of those bids reflect the bidder's desire to have the card, ie that subject/ballplayer in that series; and the bid had very little to do with condition or third party grading.

When approached from a comparison of slabbed T206s vs slabbed T210s, I understand the consternation. But some of those bids had nothing to do with the the card being slabbed, and little to do with condition.

[rdixon1208]

I get it. It's just weird seeing cards not really carry much of a conditioned-based premium. It doesn't have anything to do with third party grading. It's just that people are usually willing to pay much more for much nicer cards.

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

I was watching some of those auctions, and bid in a few of them.

As difficult as this might be for some of you to understand, some of those bids reflect the bidder's desire to have the card, ie that subject/ballplayer in that series; and the bid had very little to do with condition or third party grading.

When approached from a comparison of slabbed T206s vs slabbed T210s, I understand the consternation. But some of those bids had nothing to do with the the card being slabbed, and little to do with condition.

[tbob]

The reason you can't compare T210s in lower condition with T206's in lower condition is that you can always pick up a T206 whereas some of the T210s are next to impossible to find. Now with regard to the higher condition T210s vs. T206s, I think that (just a hunch) more T210 collectors are just content with having an example of the card, whether it be a 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50. I know Robert won a couple of series 3 portraits in 50 and 60 holders of players that I just had won a few weeks ago in 30 holders so I wasn't bidding against him or he never would have won them for the prices he paid. The one thing I have learned, and most 54ers will agree with me, is that when it comes to prices on ebay, everything is a matter of timing.

[Bill Stone]

I am smiling because I had a power outage due to a severe storm and was unable to place my last minute bids on the the eBay series 6 cards or those prices would have been much higher . I agree that in completing a home town team the grade or condition is not really as important as getting the image--which is why I think it is such a great set to collect.

[Leon]

From my observations it seems more of the T206 collectors are grade conscious whereas the T210 collectors are just looking for a clean example, as Tbob said....I am not sure I know of any T210 collectors that are ONLY going for high grade ones (besides, it would be very tough as most don't ever come up in high grade).

[bbcard1]

might just be my imagination, but i think there has been a little blip where most if not all tobacco cards have cost a little more lately...could just be seasonal.

[smtjoy]

I think its really a matter of supply, most T206 are readily available in condition 1-6 so its easy for a collector to do a set at a certain condition whereas T210 are plain tough just to find an example. I dont put much of a premium on T210 condition, I am just as happy to get a good looking 30 as I am with a good looking 60 and my bidding reflects that. I have been chasing a number of T210-3's for a few years in any grade and no way would I attempt to collect the set in a set grade, ouch.

I was just looking at the pop reports of T210-3 and for a set that has 95 cards, PSA has graded only 138, cant figure out how to pull up the same info for SGC but I would bet it is less than 5-6 per player. Compare that with say a T206 common of Bill Abstein looking at the pop of his unknown, Piedmont and SC backs he has a PSA pop of 268 cards, more graded than the whole series of T210. To me that makes it easy to see why the low grade T210 sell for a whole lot more because they are so much harder to find.

[rp12367]

I think IMO it just to comes down to supply. I have only been collecting them for about 6-8 months and already realize that if I see a card, (be it usually a team for me) and I want it, I grab it regardless of the condition, because no telling if and when you might find it again. I can always go after a better example if it comes along. In the case of Dan's recent T210-3 sales, A few cards eg Gordon, I couldn't find a red version anywhere and was willing to go quite a bit more to get the card, even though it was only a 30/2. If it was a T206 on the other hand, at a certain point I would have backed out of the bidding, knowing that in a day/week/month another would be out there (non-rare back of course)...

[alsup2311]

As the biggest seller of T210 Series 3 cards at one time on Ebay, all I can say is that the prices are all over the map. I had SGC 30s sell for more than SGC 60s!! After the auction I could tell who was going for grade (I had a lot of #1s on the pop report) and who was going for rarely seen cards. I think series 3 cards don't get the love they deserve. I agree with tbob, some of these cards are hard to find and even harder to find in good shape! I had a lot of fun watching my auction! I had no idea what any one card would sell for.

[DixieBaseball]

I agree with a few previous posts... T210's are all over the map and the reasons for this are plenty : Set collectors, Team Collector's, Highest Grade collector's, general type collector's, condition upgrade collector's, Portrait collector's, Series Collector's, State Collectors, and then the random new entry of bidder thrown in the mix make for a ambigious final price. All I know from collecting them for the last 10+ years is if you really want a certain player which you rarely see, just buy it or be prepared to wait quite possibly a long time. Much discussion has been made on this board about which series are scarcer, and the truth is while Series 6,7, and 8 seem to be tougher as a whole there are players in every series, or on every team, that can perhaps be tougher to find than others. I find that there are some real toughies in Series 3, 4, and 5. There are some impossible cards to find in Series 8, but that only accounts for about 20% of that set, and Series 6 and 7 have their toughies as well.

What a cool set!

[John V]

I seem to recall a post some time ago, listing the toughies for each series.

[tbob]

John- I wish you could remember when this was, I'd sure like to see it. There are some really skilled and computer savvy 54ers out there, maybe they could pull it out???

[Epps]

Here is one from awhile back ago.


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=86615

To follow up on a previous statement, it can take a long time to find a specific card. I searched for 5 years for a Series 6 Fred Toney of my hometown hustlers team before one just appeared on ebay about a year and half ago. Glad I jumped on it.

Tony Turner