1966 semi-highs

[Kevvyg1026]

Looking for any miscuts or uncut panels/sheets for the semi-highs from 1966 (444, 447-522) so I can try to establish print pattern.

[Kevvyg1026]

Here's a couple I found so far449_top.jpg

469.jpg

478_top_1.jpg

479_bottom.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

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[Kevvyg1026]

Here are some uncut images for series 5 which was also a 77 card series.1966_Series_5_panel_1.jpg

1966_Series_5_panel_2.jpg

1966_Series_5_panel_3.jpg

1966_series_5_Panel_4.jpg

1966_series_5_Panel_5.jpg

MC_7_1966_410_F.jpg

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Looking for any miscuts or uncut panels/sheets for the semi-highs from 1966 (444, 447-522) so I can try to establish print pattern.

great idea. from previous posts, within the 6th series there has to be 3 rows v 4 rows. so certain cards are 'sp' here as well.

[Kevvyg1026]

The 5th series will also have some SPs since there were 77 cards in that series (371-446, plus checklist 363).

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

The 5th series will also have some SPs since there were 77 cards in that series (371-446, plus checklist 363).

Theres a miscut bobby richardson out on ebay look like it's below a red base card. Probably looking for big wins on this search v small ones like this? right?

billp

[Kevvyg1026]

I have the scan of the Richardson card. Hoping not to have to do all 77 cards that way! lol

[swarmee]

1966 Topps - [Base] #444.2 - Checklist - 6th Series (456 is R. Sox Rookies)
Courtesy of COMC.com


1966 Topps - [Base] #449 - Joe Moeller [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

I couldn't zoom in on the Oliva because it is Sold Out and a different copy is shown.

[swarmee]

465 Buford


469 Murcer


482


484

[Cliff Bowman]

A-Ha! That explains why the 1966 Sandy Alomar can be found with varying degrees of a missing border defect on the right side, it was to the left of the 1966 Bob Heffner which has a well known print flaw of a purple or pink explosion on the left side.

[swarmee]

That's about all I can find on COMC.

[Cliff Bowman]

Donn Clendenon is to the left of Kuenn, #417 McGlothlin rookie is below Reed, and Alvin Dark is to the left of Stange.

[BillP]

There's a 9 card 5th series uncut with marichal, mcauliffe, the 5th series checklist when I querried 1966 topps uncut 6th series on aol/ on the picture are 2 9 card 63's uncut ans 1 57 6 card uncut.

5th series 66 but interesting right boarder partial sheet.

couldn't paste. take a look.

[BillP]

Also an 8 card 66 4th series with pirates team

[Kevvyg1026]

can you send the link? I am not seeing that.

[Kevvyg1026]

Based on miscuts and uncut material, this is what I suspect the 5th series looked like. This is subject to change if I find some additional material, but it matches everything I know so far.

The leading card is shown in the left column. The boxes are my way of overlapping the various material which was used. Card 421 is a guess, based on a miscut of K1966_5th_series.JPGaline found. card 375 position is now confirmed.

[BillP]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...mageBasicHover

try this.

[BillP]

cardinals team card marichal d macauliffe

deron johnson reds r o's r

angels player hinton 5th series checklist

looks like bottom of a sheet

[BillP]

also below that a few scrolls:

cater tony c veale brandt

boyer sisk farrell dark

[Kevvyg1026]

5th_series_speculation.jpg

Okay, I found it. Here's my updated guess as to what the sheets looked like for the 1966 5th series.

[BillP]

also below that a few scrolls:

cater tony c veale brandt

boyer sisk farrell dark

[Cliff Bowman]

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by BillP

cardinals team card marichal d macauliffe

deron johnson reds r o's r

angels player hinton 5th series checklist

looks like bottom of a sheet

It's Dick Tracewski rather Dick McAuliffe and Hank Fischer of the Braves rather than an Angels player.

[Kevvyg1026]

Only 13 more cards to place for the 5th series!! 444 (checklist 6) is most likely at an edge, and is probably in the Bunning or Jay row. Not sure where Brooks goes though.

The SP rows look like they are headed by Bunning, Jay, Javier, and Mack Jones. If so, then Kaline would be a SP.

[Kevvyg1026]

It is cards like this which make me believe that the Red Sox variety of #444 was the 5th series issue and the R. Sox variety was the 6th series issue.

1966_444_2.jpg

[bb66]

Awesome info!!

[G1911]

R. Sox Rookies is 100% the 6th series card. We can tell because of the back; there are stock variations throughout the first 6 series, but the 'super bright' white stock was only used in the 6th series and is found on some of the copies of this card.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Only 13 more cards to place for the 5th series!! Not sure where Brooks goes though.

You may already have this scan, but #390 B. Robinson is above #386 Gil Hodges.

[Kevvyg1026]

Thanks, I did not have that one. Unfortunately, I don't yet know where Hodges is either.
But, the info is useful.

[toppcat]

Is that a print mark in the Robinson nameplate?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Is that a print mark in the Robinson nameplate?

Looks like a stray ink print line above BASE. COMC has started putting a smaller watermark on the newer arrivals, that’s what is above his name.

[Kevvyg1026]

1966_403_bottom.jpg

1966_408_left.jpg

Any ideas about where these might go?

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Looks like a stray ink print line above BASE. COMC has started putting a smaller watermark on the newer arrivals, that’s what is above his name.

Yes, above 3rd base. Thx

[Kevvyg1026]

Most of us are aware of the purple tree variation on card # 432 (heffner) in the 1966 Topps set. What type of print error would cause this and would other cards in that row be affected?

[Kevvyg1026]

Found a wrong back on Jackson/Shirley card. The back of 591 has card 406 (Jay), so it is possible that the row with Jay is in the same location as the row with Shirley. Also found a wrong back of the Helper RC with #408 on the back. That suggests that #408 is at the top of a half-slit, putting it in either the Monboquette row or the Reed row.

[Kevvyg1026]

Also found this tidbit of info, but with no image. "I have a 1966 Topps Dick Egan card with the wrong back (#412 Sam Bowens). "

This suggests that #412, (which is in Angels rookies row) must be in same row as the Egan card somewhere within the two half sheets/slits. I have previously postulated that Egan is located in row 1 and row 6 on slit A and is also located in row 3 and row 10 on slit B.

Thus, this wrong back would be possible if the Bowens/Egan half sheet (i.e., slit A 5th series sheet) was accidentally placed in the slit B of the 7th series printing, making the Angels row (row 3) overlay the Northrup row containing Egan.

[Kevvyg1026]

This wrong back also would explain the Shirley (591)/Jay (406) wrong back.

[Kevvyg1026]

This miscut of Lee Thomas (408) strongly supports it being adjacent to 394 . So coupled with the wrong back of Helper (408 on back), I think the 2-card sequence of 394, 408 can be safely put at the end of row C, Angels Rookies.

1966_408.JPG

[Kevvyg1026]

Here are three miscuts. The first two are for the 5th series and I believe this checklist is from the 6th series printing, not the 5th. The Alomar miscut suggests that 428 (which has leading card of Monboquette) was above 372 at some point in the sheet. The Monboquette miscut suggests that 429 was below Angels Rookies at some point. So the Monboquette row was above the Howie Reed row (which contains 372) and also below Angels rookie row.

Both of these fit the pattern I suggested in an earlier post, which was that the pattern on the sheets was A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E THEN B, C, A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G.

Any suggestions regarding the card above the checklist would be appreciated.

1966_428_bottom.jpg

1966_429_top.jpg

1966_444_top.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Found this miscut of Farrell on line. This definitely looks to me like 377 is above 404 (Pirates team).

Also have this Kaline (410) miscut. It looks like 410 must be to the left of either 382, 385, 402, 403, 421, 422, 433, or 443 because of the purple color. I know that Kaline is in Column 10 of the sheet (due to other panels and miscuts). Therefore, that adjacent card CAN NOT be 382 (in C3), 385 (C5), 422 (C3), 433 (C8). This leaves 402, 403, 421, and 443 as possible candidates.

I don't think it can be 443 because the grassy area in that purple sliver doesn't match that card, so 402, 403, 421 remain as possibilities. I lean towards the card being #421. Any thoughts?

MC_7_1966_410_small.jpg

1966_377_bottom.jpg

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

I lean towards the card being #421. Any thoughts?

I'm 100% sure it's #421.

[Kevvyg1026]

Thanks. Kaline is actually in C9, so 421 would be in C10.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Thanks. Kaline is actually in C9, so 421 would be in C10.

A couple of comments:
1) Maybe wrong backs are a big key to finding where the missing 11 go. I haven't been looking at that.
2) What are the chances that the w sox checklist was kept in the same postion as the white sox checklist?

[Kevvyg1026]

Wrong backs do help. I've only found two images (591/406) & (548/410) that appear to apply, although I read in a post that 574/408 is also a wrong back. All of these have helped me determine the row printing arrangements for series 5 & series 7 from the 1966 Topps set.

As far as the checklist goes, it is possible, but not guaranteed.

[Kevvyg1026]

Forgot to mention that there is also a wrong back with Dick Egan front (536) and Sam Bowens (412) back. It is important to know whether wrong backs have the correct or upside down arrangement compared to regular cards.

There should be more than these four, but I haven't seen any evidence yet.

[Kevvyg1026]

This Howie Reed miscut (#387) appears to be below Mack Jones (446). If so, it would confirm the pattern suggested earlier.

1966_387_below_jones.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Here's a miscut of #405, Elston Howard. Any help regarding the adjacent card would be appreciated. Based on what is known about the sheet construction, I believe the only candidates are: 371, 373, 374, 386, 389, 390, 399, 402, 403, 409, 412, 416, 418, 422, 427, 437, or 443. However, I don't think it is a RC.

1966_405.jpg