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[David Atkatz]

Another idiot who buys the holder rather than the card.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Another idiot who buys the holder rather than the card.

Obviously the seller was able to afford it and he has bragging rights to an Ozzie Smith "1979 Topps" rookie card "Population 4." Good for him.

[David Atkatz]

Yeah. Good for him.

(BTW, he also has bragging rights for being a semifinalist for the 2012 "More Money than Brains" award.)

[GrayGhost]

IMO, the PSA pop business like "one of four graded" is misleading. That is OF ONES GRADED. What about the people who either don't want/can't afford/don't care bout "professional grading"? There is NO way on God's Green Earth there are not MORE MINT Ozzie Rookies out there. Thus, the idea that the "pop is this" does NOT mean that many exist, just that many who someone has cared to get graded. So, I think its ridiculous overall.

That said, for those who do place such a high value on graded cards that any ungraded ones in high grade are basically irrelevant. are happy.

Course, tho I think its nuts. I also know the guy who paid what is a ridiculous 20K for that is happy, so its his life.

Sorry Leon for this , but I wrapped up my thought on it, since the thread had jumped the tracks.

[travrosty]

they are buying the grade, and not the card.

Some high 9's of smith have the 9 grade on the holder because psa doesnt do 9.5's, and these high 9's are in the same condition as the 10 in many instances, just a lot less expensive. They were close but fell on the 9 side of the fence in the graders mind based on if the grader was feeling conservative or liberal that day.

some high 9's keep getting resubmitted by the submitter until it comes back a 10. They are chasing the grade only.

so they have the same card either way, they just want that #10 on there, for the price increase and bragging rights, but the card didnt change.

It's not about the card anymore. If I wanted a pristine ozzie smith card, just buy a nice 9 and save the vast bulk of the purchase price a 10 would cost. even add your own 10 label on it if someone needed the ego boost.

Some guy paid 90 grand for a psa 10 wayne gretzky rookie. It's just insanity, but there are guys out there that already have a lexus for every day of the week and they need to spend their money on something I guess.


its the same thing with getting an LOA with autographs. Many collectors just want the cert, and if the autograph is actually real or not is secondary. They would rather have a fake autograph with a abc/xyz cert than a real one without an LOA. As long as no one tells them the truth.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Imagine, beating up a collector because with his own hard-earned money, he desired, and now owns one of four Ozzie Smith "1979 Topps" rookie cards graded PSA 10. Pitiful.

[David Atkatz]

Give it a rest, Chris. I sure hope PSA or JSA don't turn a corner too quickly, 'cause it might break your neck.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Imagine, beating up a collector because with his own hard-earned money, he desired, and now owns one of four Ozzie Smith "1979 Topps" rookie cards graded PSA 10. Pitiful.

Imagine, beating up a collector because with his own hard-earned money, he desired, and now owns an eBay Mantle forgery. What kind of person would beat up a collector for that? Oh, wait...

BTW, the moron who bought the Smith is out a sh#tload more money than the poor sap with the bad Mantle!

[travrosty]

He's not collecting the card, he's collecting the grade.

There are 9's out there in the same condition, just a LOT cheaper.

He's a status collector, he collected the status of being a grade 10 - 1 of 4 in a certain circle of collectors that no else is admitted in this circle unless they want to pay that amount also.

There is an app for the iphone called the "I am rich" app, and it consists of a red jewel that shows up on your iphone and that's all it does.

It cost 1000 dollars and some people have bought it for the sole status of saying that they own it and have the means to own it.

He can buy the ozzie smith if he wants to. but he's not buying card or even the condition, he's buying the status, grade 10 - 1 of 4.

If he took it out of the holder, it would still be the same card in the same condition, but he couldn't show others the #10 on the holder anymore and it wouldnt be worth the money even though it is the same card.

i don't know who the guy is, he collects for his own reasons, and others collect for their reasons too, and we don't have to agree.

If he paid 10 million for the card you would think he was still sane? we just have different sane thresholds and #10 cards going for that kind of money crossed my threshold a while ago.

but he can go for it and knock himself out. It's a free country.