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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Andrew
Apologies if you've already discussed this: |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Very Interesting!!! |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Scott Forrest
Great guy and he is also an avid Walter Johnson/Washington Senators collector. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
The article mentions that Net54 board member DAVID BLOCK, the author of "Baseball: Before We Knew It" will be a member of the panel in Washington discussing the card. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
David is actually in New York now and is doing a tour promoting his book. He stayed over my house this past Friday night. We were talking about this card and while we both agree it is really neat, it is not baseball but one of the many predecessors of the game. If you look at the bat, it is more like a cudgel, with a scooped end at the top. Great little find, but definitely not baseball. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I wonder if that opinion will keep David from being on the panel?? |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
I'm not sure if I'll see him again this trip- he and his wife are up in the Catskills- I invited them to my house in eastern Long Island as I plan to spend the balance of the summer there, but I don't think they will make it out. But I'll speak to him down the road for sure. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Scott Forrest
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
...HAY !!!! |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: pete ullman
it looks like the little boy is swinging a lacrosse stick. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Now that I have seen that card... |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: jay behrens
This was just posted on the SABR-L list today by Richard Herschberger: |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Josh Evans
Hmmmm... |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
Josh is correct that the pictured card does not fit the strict definition of a baseball card, not only for the reasons he stated but also because it most likely depicts stool ball or poisoned ball or any one of the early bat and ball games pictured in David's book. And interestingly, even the 1822 Wood book sold in REA auctions nowhere contains the word "baseball." The bat the boy holds certainly resembles a baseball bat, and the very early date of 1822 is extremely significant, but it too may be one of the myriad games children played in the early half of the 19th century. All fascinating artifacts, but one must take care in determining what games are illustrated by the various woodcuts. Not until Robin Carver's 1834 Book of Sports did the first definitive illustration of a game of baseball appear in a totally American volume. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Barry: |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Scott Forrest
...is the stick balanced on the two stumps, behind the batter. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think David Block describes such a game in his book. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I see it, Scott... |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Rob L
this engraving.. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I know that my definition of a "baseball card" is different than some folks... |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
Hal- you may be right about that bat too. Personally, I don't think the Wood engraving pictures baseball, though it could be, it's just not crystal clear. But the book has other salient features- it is the finest children's book of sports from the 1820's (and the 1822 is a second edition, with the original printed in 1820), is much larger than chapbooks typically found in the 1830's, and the copy REA sold may be unique. But that still skirts the main issue- does the woodcut picture children playing baseball, or some related game? My answer- I don't know. |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: identify7
This is a good start, Hal! |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Glenn
Gil, |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
Glenn- I haven't heard that term since I took logic in college. There was a second "modus...something". What was it? I think it started with a "P". |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: Glenn
ponens |
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Oldest card ever: new article
Posted By: barrysloate
That's it- (it's been over 30 years). |
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