T209 Contentnea Fans....post pics...also any expert info?

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Posted By: Dave F

I like this set, only have one example...post them if you got'em. Also any information anyone can bring forward about this set...the difficulties and such would be great.

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Getting into minor league/PCL set collecting now Dave? This genre is pretty much where I've been focusing the past year or so. I've always enjoyed collecting this set as well. Hard to get them in reasonable condition though. Obnoxious levels of creasing and heavy frontal wear/damage are very common within this set. Here are a couple cards out of my collection which can still be seen on my site. Both are pretty significant within the set as the BE Thompson is always popular with collectors and the Presley/Pritchard is one of only two horizontal poses in this set. I don't see either of these often at all so, while I'm not sure how difficult they are compared to others in the set, I'm pretty sure they're not exactly "readily available" either

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I like the T209-1 colors. Here are a couple from my collection:

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Posted By: Dave F

Brian-

No, not collecting the set...just dipping my toes in the water of different stuff. That Thompson has always been a cool looking card.


Steve-

I hear you on liking the colors....I just dont have one as of yet.

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Posted By: Sean BH

I love the series one cards, the colors are rich. I picked this one up on eBay for a $100, after I had it graded I sold it and made a few bucks, he did go to a great home.

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Posted By: Jeff S.

Sold this one a few months ago on the bay. Beautiful set and tough in clean shape. This was the highest graded.

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Posted By: Zach Rice

Both the Type 1 color cards and the Type 2 black and white cards are very difficult. Lately, the type 2 cards have been impossible to find in public sales. During this entire “auction season” there was a single black and white T209, it was offered in a lot of Pre-War cards in REA.

I’ve owned about 120 T209-2s and now only own half that amount; still, at the first number, I was over 100 subjects from completing the set (including most of the rare cards, though I had some) . This set is a monster. I’ll try to post some more when I have more time. Here is the Greenville team:

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Posted By: Dave F

wow...very nice Zach. the one i have was one of two that came up for sale a couple months or so ago from davidbvintage. i got the one at the top of the thread and one of the "whales" got the other.

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Posted By: Seth B.

Hey Dave, welcome to a really wonderful set. Series one and two are the only sets I really collect. I'll show off some of my nicer cards--I'm four cards away from the Series 1 set, but I'm broke after REA!
Zach is absolutely right that there really haven't been any T209 IIs for sale for awhile. A few years back (2005 or 2006?) several auction houses had lots of 100 or so T209 IIs, and it seemed like they were much more frequent, but they're even rare on e-bay right now. Brian's two cards are really fantastic, and I haven't seen either sold publically as long as I've been paying attention (since 2005 or so). I do believe a Thompson was included in one of those big lots, but I hadn't seen a Pressley Prtichard until Brian posted his here a month or so ago.
There are some older threads here on the cards: big issues are the back stamps on the Series I cards (I've been keeping a list, and it's about 50% for what I've seen, maybe just a touch under), and who exactly B.E. Thompson was (was he the commissioner? I can't remember what people came up with). The other cool thing that is hopefully preserved on one of those old threads are two printer scraps that a board member (I believe Scott Brockleman) has that show some unreleased series one cards including a proof of Al Orth which looks the same as the T206 Southern Leaguer.
There's more to say: I really love this set, but I won't overwhelm you. Bottom line is: If you like one you see, buy it, as it may not come up for sale again in a long time.

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Posted By: leon

won from the gentleman that runs the National...on ebay.....seen before but I never mind seeing it...

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Posted By: Eric B

Before this thread dies, here is a T128 of the Contentnea Indians. The only difference between cards is the number in the corner. There are 46 known from 1-140. I have 28 of them and would love more.

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Posted By: Seth B.

Eric, thank you. I have never seen those before. You may have already recognized this, but the factory and district number on your card is identical to the baseball series (Series I and the commonly found stamp on Series II).

Also, do you mean that only 46 TOTAL are known, or that only cards of 46 numbers (but more than 46 total cards) are known?

-Seth B.

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Posted By: Mike (18colt)

. . . is it really that hard for a type card collector to find a beater of the B&W ones (they make me think "minor league edition of Breisch-Williams cards due to the B&W phtography)? Any idea monetarily what a B&W beater could set you back?

Mike (18colt)

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Posted By: Seth B.

Mike, they're definitely easier than E107: I think a beater will set you back maybe $75-$100. If someone is going after that card, though, throw price guidelines out the window.

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Posted By: Eric B

Seth, thanks for your interest. I am always hesitant about putting non-sports up. According to the WTI and ACC, issued around 1910 and only 13 different numbers were known until about 5 years ago. You could find them occasionally, but they were always the same 13. Then the lot of 28 I acquired were all different than the 13 known. So that's 41. The non-sports board has upped that number to 47 different poses, so it's possible all 140 exist (existed). But of the known numbers, 30 or so are pops of 1. And I don't mean graded population - I mean known population.

The collector who added the last 6 also had the BE Thompson, thinking it was part of this set. It is pictured at the bottom of the link.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604/thread/1165203063/last-1199675577/T128+Contentnea+Indians

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Posted By: Dave F

Seth,


Is your experience an SGC 50 would be fairly high grade for the black and whites?


Dave

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

I think Seth is pretty much spot on with his previous post. I was about to write something just about identical before I saw he already answered it for me. Competition for your run-of-the-mill common shouldn't take you past $75-100 but there are cards in this set tougher than others and I think certain cards also carry a premium.

This set really isn't THAT difficult to find a type card for. I think we're just in a really big dry spell for them. I'm kind of used to seeing these on Ebay quite often actually. They tend to show up in small groups auctioned off individually as well. If you're patient, you'll nab one for sure.

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Posted By: Dave F

Brian,

So which cards in specific are harder to find besides the obvious Thompson of yours and I'm assuming any horizontals?


Dave

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Posted By: Seth B.

Dave-- your card is high grade, these cards flake REALLY easily, as Brian mentioned in his first post. And I think you got it at a fair price. Don't worry!

Eric, very cool, thanks for that thread. So there are several back options--they're all still Factory 12, Dist. 4. Has anyone ever seen a Contentnea pack?

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I've only owned one - and I sold it a long time ago. The Keating.

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Posted By: leon

I have seen a few of the packs but got outbid when I did...

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Posted By: Zach Rice

Dave, there are certainly a number of cards that are more difficult to find than others. I am not sure of the reasoning for this as there wasn’t a redemption program available with any of the cards except the B.E. Thompson card. The card you posted, Foltz, seems to show up very often compared to other cards. After surveying collections and lots in auction houses, the rarities begin to shown themselves.

The Pressley/Pritchard card is the only horizontal card in the set and difficult to find; this could be a result of limited production or collectors hording the card since it is such a neat image. This card is similar to the T210-3 Morris (the only horizontal card in the set), this card should be easy to find but it is not due to the great interest in a horizontal T210, many collectors buy and keep this card.

Some more images:

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Posted By: Dwight

Teammate of Seth's Hammersly (above), whose letters home as a player, memorabilia, etc. are on exhibit at the Greensboro, NC, museum.

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Hey Zach, nice to have you back....

I listed the Presley/Pritchard as one of two horizontals earlier because the checklist lists a Pritchard/Presley card as well - two different cards. I'm assuming this second card with multiple players is also a horizontal but could be wrong?

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Posted By: scott brockelman

They are one and the same.

Scott

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Seth, Leon and all. Here are two packs...

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Posted By: Seth B.

Thanks for sharing, Jon, great stuff. Same pack design as the other back design for those T118 Indian cards.

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Posted By: Eric B

Yes, I noticed. Thanks for the pics.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

I should add that Joe P owns both of the packs.

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Posted By: Ed Ivey

I'm always fascinated looking at that Pope ghost on the McGeehan. Pope is the T209-1 I hope to acquire someday. The ghost image reminds me never to say never.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Leon,
Great card!!! Here's mine... Now we need Scott's...

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Here's most of my T209-1 set:








I'll add Cooper, Pope and Sisson when I have time...

I'm a huge fan of both sets...

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Posted By: Bob C

My type's