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Old 06-19-2021, 05:57 PM
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Default Beckett Authenticating Bad 1919 Reds Autographs

I noticed earlier this year Beckett authenticated two autographs that werent even close to being authentic, both cuts with tape over them mounted to 3x5s of 1919 Reds Jake Daubert and Sherry Magee. Just be cautions as the Bill Rariden for sell on ebay right now I would also say is not authentic. I have never seen him sign his name "Bill" either "William" or Wm". But this is my opinion, which I would say given the time and effort Ive spent looking at 1919 World series autographs is very very good.

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Old 06-19-2021, 06:11 PM
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I would add I think it is very probably that they were all secretarials and not out right forgeries.
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Old 06-19-2021, 07:35 PM
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To help visually prove my point I threw together this image with real Rariden signatures with the one Beckett "authenticated" I think I have one maybe two more examples of his and both were signed "Wm" will try to find them as well
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:29 PM
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Here is a GPC from 1940
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Old 06-20-2021, 07:20 AM
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It has been my experience that Beckett as a generalization is more likely to certify a forged autograph than JSA or PSA while PSA is most likely to reject a good one. Again this doesn't happen that often but still too often IMO
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Old 06-20-2021, 07:56 AM
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Hondo - Thanks for the comp as well, a great piece even with the tape. And there you have more damning proof of Beckett's error as those "B"s in Bill and Bedford are no where near the same
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That link you sent definitely looks like a secretarial to me too.
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I wish I had saved images of the Daubert and Magee cuts. I thought maybe those were discussed on Net54 as well but cant find the thread.

Will say it is not at all the sellers fault Beckett did not do a good job and these 3 are pretty rare and hard to find comps of...but not impossible
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yeah those were suspicious to me, Interestingly there is another toughie pre 1940 deceased deadball player on there that is also in a tiny close cut autograph.
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It has been my experience that Beckett as a generalization is more likely to certify a forged autograph than JSA or PSA while PSA is most likely to reject a good one. Again this doesn't happen that often but still too often IMO
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