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Old 12-29-2021, 07:48 AM
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I have been ruminating about posting this card since I recently got it back from SGC a couple of months ago.

A little history, I got this John Stockton card back in the mid 90's from a friend that got it from a pack of Wild Cards. Now this friend of mine, has no ulterior motives and was not even into slabbing way back then. Actually neither of us even knew about slabbing cards or even if it existed at the time. I traded a number of my cards with him and this card was one of many I got in return.

Fast forward to today, I recently sent the card into SGC for grading, as you can see the scarlet letter 'A' was the grade I received. The explanation was evidence of trimming... WTH??? WT@??? If it was trimmed, why does it fit the holder pretty damned well? I am no expert here when it comes to these things.

I have been going back and forth on whether I should bust the slab and sell it raw. I am irked about this as nether my friend nor I would do such a thing. I believe SGC blew it on the grading, frankly (I know, yet another whine about SGC and grading. At least I am sharing it here.).

Anyone know of a laser ruler (or an app) that can accurately measure cards? I have measured this with a caliper (post slab) and it comes within the tolerances of a number of different cards that I have measured for comparison. ugh.........

Submitted for your inspection and thoughts.

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These days I hear one horror story after another about grading, not just SGC. I suspect they all have a lot of very new graders who aren't terribly experienced or adept.
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Frustrating to say the least. Makes me feel like a criminal if I decide to sell this.
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Butchie, nearly impossible to tell from the images, although you posted nice ones. May I hazard a guess? I'd love to see the right side of the card on its edge. In my experience, when the size looks good and the cuts are straight, which these appear to be, looking directly at the edges under magnification may reveal an improper "roll" or an odd stratification of the cardboard, or even a slight jagging of the cut. i.e. not cut evenly and at a uniform pace. I say this based on countless discussions with a couple of graders I know.

Having said that, I'm guessing the grader didn't like an edge. I'm just guessing that it's the right edge (they don't always tell you). Personally, I'd bust it out as no one buys a modern card with an "A." I believe BGS is the most lenient when it comes to size differential. If you must have it in a slab, you could send it to them. They'll grade it an 8.5 if the surface has no hairline marks IMHO.
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I have not yet busted it out of the tomb but I will do this shortly. I have an upcoming trip and can do this when I return around the last week of February. I'll post the pictures of all the sides when I return.

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I have not yet busted it out of the tomb but I will do this shortly. I have an upcoming trip and can do this when I return around the last week of February. I'll post the pictures of all the sides when I return.

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I believe we all have so many issues with trimming because it can be as subjective as evaluating the card's corners or surface. Sizes do vary slightly and its super hard to tell if a card is trimmed well. The challenges of grading! I honestly believe every grader should have a library of hi-rez cards they can review when grading these less common cards. Best of luck my friend.
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Anyone know of a laser ruler (or an app) that can accurately measure cards? I have measured this with a caliper (post slab) and it comes within the tolerances of a number of different cards that I have measured for comparison. ugh.........

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I have used a free tool called JRuler for a long time - It can be set to measure all the way down to pixels

http://www.spadixbd.com/freetools/jruler.htm
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I have used a free tool called JRuler for a long time - It can be set to measure all the way down to pixels

http://www.spadixbd.com/freetools/jruler.htm
Sweet!

Thank you for the info and the link. I will certainly look into this.

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Reminds me of a dealer that told me that a 1983 Topps Gwynn fresh from a factory set was trimmed.

Honestly, I want to thank that dealer as I was a broke college student in 93' and was trying to sell a good chunk of my childhood cards and got so mad I walked out. Most of those early 80's childhood cards are now in my son's collection and that experience kept them in my hands.

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