The Cleveland Guardians? Yes, It's Official

[marzoumanian]

Just learned that next year the Cleveland Indians will be known as the Cleveland Guardians. Peace.

Here's some more color on the name, for anyone who is interested. It's from the official news release:

"The Cleveland Guardians will boast the same blue and red color scheme we’ve grown familiar with. The organization wanted the script to be similar to what it has been for the last 75 years but decided to make slight changes to mimic the structural architecture of the Hope Memorial Bridge, imitating the trusses of the bridge’s underside. On the road, the team will continue to sport “Cleveland” across its chest, while “Guardians” will be printed on the home jerseys."

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

Just learned that next year the Cleveland Indians will be known as the Cleveland Guardians. Peace.

I am not a Cleveland fan. I am glad they finally decided to change their name. That is a Good Name.

[Fballguy]

Yup...Professional sports ran out of good names years ago. Guardians is a very huggy, safe name. Perfect for America in 2021.

[Orioles1954]

What an absolutely horrible name! "Let's Go Guards!"....just rolls of the tongue. It sounds like some terrible USFL or Arena League team. If I were fans of the former Indians, I would either give up baseball or find a new team.

[bdk1976]

Are they competing for worst franchise nickname? If so they are now winning by a margin that puts Secretariat to shame.

[packs]

I don't mind a name change but Guardians sounds like a fake movie team name. Cleveland had two great names before the Indians. What was wrong with the Spiders or the Naps?

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't mind a name change but Guardians sounds like a fake movie team name. Cleveland had two great names before the Indians. What was wrong with the Spiders or the Naps?

Yes, agree.

[Seven]

Sounds like an XFL Franchise. I feel like there were so many other options they could've went with. Could've gone historical and went with the Naps or Spiders.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't mind a name change but Guardians sounds like a fake movie team name. Cleveland had two great names before the Indians. What was wrong with the Spiders or the Naps?

Because "Spiders" is offensive to the millions of arachnids who are crushed or murdered by imperialist exterminators every year.

[Casey2296]

Awkward name, I'll stick to calling them the "Naps".

[insidethewrapper]

How about the Cleveland Fellers ?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Awkward name, I'll stick to calling them the "Naps".

If calling them "Indians" is offensive to Indians, isn't calling them "Guardians" likewise offensive to guardians?

And calling them "Naps" would be offensive to Frenchmen.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

What an absolutely horrible name! "Let's Go Guards!"....just rolls of the tongue. It sounds like some terrible USFL or Arena League team. If I were fans of the former Indians, I would either give up baseball or find a new team.

yes, it is a terrible name.

[Brian Van Horn]

LOL! Does anyone expect the name of "Guardians" to last? It is though the owner of the Indians added another punchline to "Major League".

[samosa4u]

Guardians? Doesn't sound like a sports team to me! If the word INDIAN offended some people, then they should have called themselves the Cleveland ERIE or Cleveland SENECANS!

[rhettyeakley]

Not a fan! I really thought the "Spiders" was a forgone conclusion.

The "Spiders" would have been a marketing Gold Mine! There are so many different ways to market that name and an image of a spider! So many promotions and the uniforms, logos, etc could have been so cool.

The Guardians is such a weak mascot that I can only guess that was only chosen because they couldn't protect the name Spiders like they wanted to. As mentioned it sounds like a fake name from a bad Disney sports movie.

**That being said, if they had gone with "Cleveland Rocks" or something like that it would have been SO MUCH WORSE! I'm glad they didn't go down that path.

[Casey2296]

At least when the team stinks the fans will have new placard choices...
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[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Not a fan! I really thought the "Spiders" was a forgone conclusion.

The "Spiders" would have been a marketing Gold Mine! There are so many different ways to market that name and an image of a spider! So many promotions and the uniforms, logos, etc could have been so cool.

The Guardians is such a weak mascot that I can only guess that was only chosen because they couldn't protect the name Spiders like they wanted to. As mentioned it sounds like a fake name from a bad Disney sports movie.

**That being said, if they had gone with "Cleveland Rocks" or something like that it would have been SO MUCH WORSE! I'm glad they didn't go down that path.

Cleveland Rocks would have been hilarious. Every year the press could lead off spring with "Rocks' Pennant Hopes Sink Like A Stone". Was too similar the Colorado Rockies, though.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

What an absolutely horrible name! "Let's Go Guards!"....just rolls of the tongue. It sounds like some terrible USFL or Arena League team. If I were fans of the former Indians, I would either give up baseball or find a new team.

They will accept it. The city of Cleveland already is diehard for teams called the Cavaliers and Browns.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Guardians is just short for Guaranteed Indians

[perezfan]

Spiders would've been pretty cool, both in terms of a team mascot/logo, and interesting/artistic Uniform and Cap possibilities.

But to nobody's surprise, they chose a horribly bland name. Can't even imagine an interesting or decent looking logo... maybe a block letter "G" (how exciting!)

Perfect for the current times though... "Guardians" sounds like an Insurance Company Team, Soccer Club, or WNBA franchise, and should not offend anyone. Super safe choice!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

They will accept it. The city of Cleveland already is diehard for teams called the Cavaliers and Browns.

This brings up a good point. Were Paul Brown and/or Jim Brown offended by the name "Browns?"

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Mark17

This brings up a good point. Were Paul Brown and/or Jim Brown offended by the name "Browns?"

Doubtful as to Paul-- the team was named for him.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Mark17

This brings up a good point. Were Paul Brown and/or Jim Brown offended by the name "Browns?"

They were probably OK with it, but I heard the local UPS Drivers raised hell.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Mark17

This brings up a good point. Were Paul Brown and/or Jim Brown offended by the name "Browns?"

Don't think you or many here get it.

The Indian nation consider themselves a 'people', a descendant race and heritage that would choose to not allow people to simply use the label for their own edification.

So, just like there won't be a Chicago Jews, or San Fransisco Negroes, or Manhattan Muslims, Toronto Asians, New Orleans Africans or other such ridiculous and improper titling, it is reasonable IMO for others not to be able to appropriate and use however they like the naming label Indians - with whatever associations or marketing selling out they choose and with little care for the very proud nation of human beings inhabiting this land pre Western discovery.
Would seem very easy to understand looking at what the Cleveland BBC did previously in creating the Chief Wahoo mascot.

I don't get what people feel is such a hardship to give up, when you are offending people on the one hand, but could so easily remedy with having care over the language one uses.

BTW, my vote would have been for Spiders too.

[MCyganik]

It makes good sense in context, but initial impression it sounds like a bland computer-generated fake sports name.

I still think they should have picked the Spiders. Lots of potential modernizing that one into today’s brand marketing. Could of had a cute looking spider mascot named CY.

[brob28]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

It makes good sense in context, but initial impression it sounds like a bland computer-generated fake sports name.

I still think they should have picked the Spiders. Lots of potential modernizing that one into today’s brand marketing. Could of had a cute looking spider mascot named CY.

Agreed, seems like they chose a vanilla name designed to avoid angering anyone. It's just shy of using the Cleveland Neutrals. Spiders would have been the choice IMO.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Yup...Professional sports ran out of good names years ago. Guardians is a very huggy, safe name. Perfect for America in 2021.

America was named for the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci, who was a slave owner and slave trader. I am now offended by being known as an "American." I want that name changed and everything named using the word America. American League, American Football Conference, NATIVE AMERICAN, "America the Beautiful", Bank of America, Great American Ballpark, United States of America, North America, South America, Central America, etc. etc. etc.
But hey, we can all feel great now that a baseball team in Cleveland has changed from their terribly offensive name "Indians" to the "Guardians."
What a joke.

[perezfan]

If I was a fan of that club, I would honestly rather see them do what the Washington Football Team did. It's less stupid.

[drmondobueno]

Think I’ll call them the G-Men.


Sheesh.

[GasHouseGang]

What are their uniforms going to look like? Black cloaks?

[2dueces]

Not a fan of name changes. Once all the so called offensive names have been changed the woke crowd will find something else to be offended by. The Orioles are offensive to bird lovers, etc. But a franchise is not defined by its name, it’s defined by its history. So change away.

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

America was named for the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci, who was a slave owner and slave trader. I am now offended by being known as an "American." I want that name changed and everything named using the word America. American League, American Football Conference, NATIVE AMERICAN, "America the Beautiful", Bank of America, Great American Ballpark, United States of America, North America, South America, Central America, etc. etc. etc.
But hey, we can all feel great now that a baseball team in Cleveland has changed from their terribly offensive name "Indians" to the "Guardians."
What a joke.

I hope that I don't offend anyone by saying this: I'm offended that you are offended

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by griffon512

I hope that I don't offend anyone by saying this: I'm offended that you are offended

That's it, I'm leaving the hobby.

Brb

[Exhibitman]

I like it but Spiders would have been way cooler as well as a nice nod to history.

[BCauley]

I’ll never understand why people bother getting into these kinds of arguments. Nobody ever thinks they’re wrong. Everybody thinks they’re right. Nobody is going to change anyone’s mind.

If anything it just makes people look insecure and unstable.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BCauley

I’ll never understand why people bother getting into these kinds of arguments. Nobody ever thinks they’re wrong. Everybody thinks they’re right. Nobody is going to change anyone’s mind.

If anything it just makes people look insecure and unstable.


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People like to argue. Recall the great Monty Python skit? "I'd like to have an argument." "No you wouldn't." etc.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

People like to argue. Recall the great Monty Python skit? "I'd like to have an argument." "No you wouldn't." etc.

"That's not an argument, that's just a contradiction..."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

"That's not an argument, that's just a contradiction..."

"Sorry. This is abuse. Argument's down the hall."

[BCauley]

“Cancel culture” is the people that stormed the Capitol on January 6th right? To void an election in service to one person who doesn’t care about them one way or the other?

Just want to make sure I understand what “cancel culture” is on here.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Interesting piece on the evolution/different meanings of the phrase.

https://www.vox.com/22384308/cancel-...ability-debate

[paulmolive]

Wokeism Demolition Night at "Progressive" Field please

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by paulmolive

Wokeism Demolition Night at "Progressive" Field please

Now THAT I would pay tickets for and attend.