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Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.
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That’s actually a very reasonable line of thinking, and this example below is a different company…but did this BGS grader evaluate the card and then run to the secured sharpie room to draw his Xs and the outline of the trimmed areas from memory? There are probably more dangers in the grading rooms than we know. I don’t know for sure what the issue is on the OP’s card, but the SGC scan makes it look a little different than the scan on this thread. Eagerly awaiting the final determination.
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I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.
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Someone will try and pass it off as a late stage Mays signed Red Man.
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No offense but if anyone thinks that it's a sharpie mark you need a new monitor or phone or whatever device you're looking at the image with.
When Bobby first posted the thread I thought he was joking about the sharpie mark. |
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Pat....I'll be the first to admit. My eyes are shit. I'm not 40 anymore. When my eyes turned to shit, it literally happened overnight. One day I had perfect vision. The next day, things were blurry. And yes, when I looked at the card via the image they provided, it looked like a marker. Especially where it got light in the middle. Only when I looked at it with the loupe in really bright light did it appear to be "something foreign". What it is, I have no idea. It is not a pubic hair. Someone else suggested a shaving from the black gasket?? I have no idea.
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Told dad when I saw him a few weeks later, and pretty much the same read the paper fine one day, next day couldn't find a good place to hold it where he could see clearly. |
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This. I don't think I am really getting flack though. We are having a discussion. I asked for help. I am getting it. I am just amazed at things that go thru as OK. I've have seen BOTH companies I use do it. I half jokingly volunteered to be their Quality Control guy. I think I would be perfect at it. I know what collectors would be happy with, and I know what would piss them off. As an added bonus, I like the weather in Florida.
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That's a sharp looking card!
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What's the point in bashing the TPG'ers anymore???? They all screw up...routinely. Some more than others...but they ALL make mistakes.
They are a necessary evil in the hobby...which we have to live with. |
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Correct. All they can do is strive to be better. It just seems like some of this stuff could be avoidable. I guess when they are churning out as many cards as they are, it's just one gigantic blur.
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We have so little...don't take this away from us!
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bitch away then! I like to complain sometimes too!!!
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This is the only business type I’ve encountered where people have truly 0 expectations and get an instant free pass no matter what. It’s strange. |
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I was certainly not giving him flack just joking around. As far as TPG errors and indiscretions, etc etc, this one by SGC does not even make the top 100 list.
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Well....at least the Red Man card is right side up, if that's what you mean.
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Yes...unfortunately. Each month that passes I grade fewer and fewer cards.
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So . . . . . on the subject of detritus in the slab . . .
Maybe 3 years ago I bid on the card below. I could tell from the auction house picture that there was something on the slab, either a stray hair or maybe a scratch on the case. Worst case, I figured, was detritus in the slab, and I thought in that event I could then send the card in for re-holdering. The card got a clean grade from PSA (as you can see) so I wasn't worried the card was actually defaced. Well, I won the card, and when it arrived it was not detritus, but pencil scribbles on the card. (It loops around the K in MICKEY and down through the f in outfield.) I contacted PSA, sent them pictures of the scribbles and then sent the actual card in for review. Amazingly enough, they confirmed the unqualified grade. Their reasoning was that it was "the grader's judgement" whether to qualify the card. I pushed back, saying their written policy required a qualified grade in the event a card is marked, it is not a judgement call. Their written response, which the customer service rep said came from their "head grader" was that the pencil scribbles were "not in the nature of a mark" and that even if they were, were "not significant enough to warrant a qualified grade". I called the CS rep to make sure I understood what she was saying and she told me she had gotten that specific language from Reza for her response. These are the facts and only the facts. I leave it up to you to decide what is and is not a mark, because I cannot make sense of it. |
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