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Mark my comment on confirmation bias was meant as a separate thought, not at all related to your post, sorry not to have made that clear.
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Maybe you can answer my question then, and acknowledge the Mississippi obesity fact.
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Sorry, I didn't want it to be directed towards you, but there is no doubt it sure looked that way.
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It is good to hear from a member of the medical profession on these topics. Thank you for your insight.
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Amazing, doctors never wore a mask in 100 years of treating SICK people, now a mask can protect you! I bet they wish they knew this their whole career.
Surgeons the exception. See how ridiculous the narrative is?
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Society asks that one not disrupt a broadway performance, whilst fondling oneself on stage. Doing so would be anti-social. If one and one's friends wish to do so, they are free to do so in a private venue, circular formation or not. That would be considered very social. Holy cow. I listed 13 things off they top of my head that I recall being described as un-American. You focused on race, not the point. And then (bizarrely) you focus on a sub-point to the original observation as if it had any bearing at all. Refusing to respect what the majority of our citizens believed to be for their and their families safety (regardless of their BMI), and actively disrespecting the boundaries, could be considered un-American, as in "not consistent with American values, principles or tradition". You know, Judeo-Christian roots. But let's call an idiot football player taking a knee during the National anthem un-American. Not those who took the 'we don't know enough about it' stance and then proved that they didn't by endangering others. Purposely. To prove some political point. From the governors who declared everyone an "essential employee", to the guy who tried to take my mask off, to those refusing to abide by private retailers decision to limit occupancy, or require masks, to my own relatives who had Thanksgiving 2020, got covid with 5 of 10 winding up in hospital, with 2 still suffering. So yeah, I understand the government effed up the messaging. That they didn't have the guts to tell us straight up that 2 weeks wasn't enough time to "slow the spread". That by extending it bit by bit caused much of this movement. That people wanted to go to their bowling banquet, or go to the movies, or have their big wedding. Fellow (fat, old, diabetic, immunocompromised) citizens be damned.
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None that have a good bed side manner. None I've ever seen.. Smiling doctor would come and welcome you and walk you into the room. Keep that kn95 on!
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Doctors will return to not wearing masks. They have worn them during a dark time if the pandemic when hospitals were literally running out of beds. Made sense to wear them then. If it becomes a permanent thing, that’s not a great development in my view, although it wouldn’t be the end of the world either.
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Pretending that socializing is anti-social is what is intellectually dishonest, to put it lightly. You can say it is a bad thing, you can argue people should sequester themselves away for a year, two, or forever. But to call normal socializing anti-social is nuts. Intellectual dishonesty is to pretend up is down.
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The conspiracy theories were the first clue. Attaching the link is the most recent clue. I hope you don’t donate hard earned money to people like that. Donating your time is bad enough.
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Only the narrative matters. Cherry pick whatever sources support the narrative, and disregard those that don't. The ones that don't are part of the conspiracy. Carry on.
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Absolutely. Masks are acceptable in other countries. No matter what we’ve been through these past few years I don’t think they are here. That should be an uplifting thought. But in terms of spreading germs, while I recommend basing decisions on doctors and scientists rather than on personal opinion, on the idea of wearing masks it just seems really basic common sense that they help to keep your fluids and whatnot in. I have always viewed the masks as not protecting the wearer but as protecting others from the wearer. That’s why I think it was ok to force people to wear them for a stint. It wasn’t for your own good for the most part - it was for everyone else’s.
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Nothing to see here people. Just Albert Bourla sitting with Klaus Scwhab, the head of the World Economic Forum (WEF) discussing the vaccines. This is just a conspiracy theory so don't read much into it nor pay attention to the logo's on the wall. All fiction. These people, Klaus, and his one world govt agenda have our best interests at heart, trust me!
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status...DQ9dHJ_roqAAAA And like wise here. The CEO of Moderna. Just don't pay any attention to where he's at (Davos) or what he is talking about (covid vaccines). https://twitter.com/TheoFleury14/sta...Cg8cLY67gqAAAA And same goes with this one. Yuval Noah Hariri is Klaus's right hand man. He sounds like a swell guy, almost god like even, with what his plans are as far humanity and as far as the vaccines go. "Covid is critical because this is what convinces people to accept to legitimize total biometric surveillance. We need to not just monitor people, we need to monitor what’s happening under their skin” https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/stat...75589235376128 Klaus has bragged about infiltrating our govt's, but that is also conspiracy theory nonsense (even though he has said that on video), and all the above is just a Hollywood production for your viewing pleasure.
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I never understand why people adopt mental gymnastic arguments when a less stupid argument is readily available. The case for lockdowns isn't hard and can rationally be made; it just takes a different belief, that the individual does not have rights that supersedes the states right to force them to comply with the will of the state. Plenty of people on your side have been making rational arguments here. Being unable to understand that having social interactions is the OPPOSITE of being anti-social is a losing argument to all but the most extreme who will adopt any argument whatsoever that supports their worldview. Attending a wedding is not anti-social. Hugging my friends is not anti-social. Attending a bowling banquet is not anti-social. It is the exact opposite of these things. Hiding away from the world in terror of a flu disease and refusing to be within six feet of people is more akin to anti-social, if you're stuck on this for some reason. I have no idea what pro-union stance you are talking about. I have never posted about unions on here? I don't know why you keep making these bizarre claims. You have an opinion about a union stance I have never given. You assumed I think kneelers are un-American. You made some weird ass claim about millennial not wanting to work. I don't know what these rebuttals of things I have never said are relevant. It's like you are having a separate argument in your head from anything that has actually been said. Of course, you can't answer anything. You can't pinpoint when "not too long ago" hiding away was the sociable and American norm. You can't draw any real connection about how public masturbation being inappropriate is an analogy to, let me check my notes again, attending a wedding. You can't explain how, if your vaccine works, it requires people who disagree with you to have it to function. You have to pretend you are completely unfamiliar with "two weeks to flatten the curve". Just drop the bullshit and make a rational case. It isn't hard to do. Almost everyone else is doing it. Or just spit out a bunch of crap. It would be nice if your next rant wasn't about jacking off in public, but that's just my personal opinion. |
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There are, and have been, two overarching questions in my opinion and most of the rest of the last several years has been noise, spin and worse. One, what does our best data looked at agnostically actually show in terms of vaccines, masks, lockdowns, etc. Two, how does a free society navigate the inevitable tradeoffs between individual freedom and collective welfare. The questions are related because it's necessary to have your best interpretation of data before you can even know what may be best for the collective welfare. But instead of focusing on these questions, we've basically had a total fucking mess on all sides.
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I did. Very literally. I told you where to look. Or if you're too lazy to click to another thread, go look at the things being said about people on my side in here. Irv has taken numerous shots. At least I criticize the argument itself.
You never answer any of mine. You never did find any place where I contradicted or changed the argument. All you do is throw jabs, refuse to backup any of your claims, completely make things up, deny you've been given answers that are staring at you from the transcript. All over a small joke about PWCC being a fraud ring a few months ago. Probably time to update the blocklist if you can never even backup your bullshit. |
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Okay, so you're not mad that everyone else is doing the same general thing, you're 'kissed' that I use a specific manner of speech? Like every human being on the planet. People tend to use certain phrasings, yes. Your shot at me is that Packs got upset? From the guy who was stalking me when after getting triggered as a PWCC shill. Rich. Bye troll.
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Nothing to see here either as I'm sure the evening news has already discussed this in its entirety?
Health experts are quitting the NIH and CDC in droves because they're embarrassed by 'bad science' - including vaccinating children under 5 to 'make their advice palatable to the White House,' doctors claim Health experts are quitting the NIH and CDC in droves because they are embarrassed by ‘bad science’ https://publicnewstime.com/health-ne...y-bad-science/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...d-science.html https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/new...o-bad-science/ https://www.westernstandard.news/new...21b2be954.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/healt...own/index.html https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/ni...ovid-vaccines/
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To me this is a key question for this and so many other hotlly debated topics in America today. For some, collective welfare seems only to be a consideration when it is sure not to cause any inconvenience. Others I don't believe even care about collective welfare, or believe in it for some but not others. Even the concept itself can easily be painted as a "slippery slope" toward the ever-present "threat" of socialism, no?
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I'm not perfect by any means, but each decision in my life is based on how it affects others, and by others I mean ALL living things, and the environment. Biocentrism would be the closest philosophical teaching of how I choose to live my life. This is the reason I choose to lead a vegan lifestyle. This helps all life around me as well as the planet and as a side effect helps me greatly in that I am healthier than I have ever been and (knock on wood) have not contracted COVID or any other illness for that matter since I began this process 7 years ago. So in short, I believe that choosing the collective welfare over personal freedom has a side effect of greatly benefitting the individual. However, I can't control anyone, nor would I want to, so whatever they choose is their decision, and while I may not support what they choose, I respect that it is their decision. You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill
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