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Old 11-20-2022, 10:13 AM
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This is good! We may not be able to fully convince each other but it’s nice to discuss. Now that LA Dodgers pennant is interesting to me, look how LOS ANGELES is written. One of our Giants collectors (or both?) has a green SF Giants pennant with gold print that is similar to the one pictured here and if my memory is correct it’s the same unique style font used to write SAN FRANCISCO. I can’t find a pic, maybe they can help.

What strikes me is how the wide spine and thin tassels are identical in all of these pennants. The fact that the tassels are made of the same exact felt and are same color as the body of the pennant. I suggest that the more likely scenario is that WGN simply made some with tassels and some without, at the same time. We know that Trench has done this in the late 50s.
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Old 11-20-2022, 10:45 AM
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This too, I think, is a late 40s WGN
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Old 11-20-2022, 12:48 PM
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Here is the SF Giants
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Old 11-20-2022, 01:07 PM
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Thanks Marc. Yes, the font in the city name is identical to that of the pictured LA Dodgers. But the giant graphic is that of an older NYG made (presumably) by WGN.
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Old 11-20-2022, 07:21 PM
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Okay now for a counter-example. These two 1954 Indians pennants have every indication that they were made by different companies. The dancing Indian seems Trench and Chief Wahoo looks like WGN or at least “not Trench”. That is, if you consider the construction of each. (Spine, tassels, etc).

The rosters, however, are identical. The font is definitely Trench as can be seen in their other scroll pennants.

So I’m baffled by these …

On another note, boy is there a bunch of beautiful ‘54 Indians pennants …

(I don’t own these exact pennants, the top one I have in a different color.)
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Greg, Kyle and Mark need to spearhead a coffee table type pennant book. The rest of us can chip in.
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Old 11-20-2022, 10:04 PM
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No argument from me on the connection between the first two LA Dodger and SF Giant pennants below. Same distinctive "A" and "S" used in both city scripts. Same construction. Therefore, Greg, I agree: they were likely made by the same maker.

But, if that maker was WGN, then that does not answer why these two pennants look nothing like others we're 100% certain were by WGN from that year. And that, to me, is where the comparison falls apart....

Here's two 1958-dated LA Dodger and SF Giant pennants we know for certain to be by WGN. And another from later that year for the Milwaukee Braves. As you can see, these last three are nothing like the first two. So, that's why I think their maker may be someone else.

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Old 11-21-2022, 07:09 AM
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^^^^ based on the “artwork” of the top two, I can’t imagine those were done by WGN….unless WGN once had a “Bring Your Kids to Work Day.”
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Old 11-21-2022, 05:16 PM
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Here are some 1958-59 pennants. (None of which I own.) First two seem to be WGN based on past logos. The others?
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Old 11-21-2022, 05:30 PM
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No argument from me on the connection between the first two LA Dodger and SF Giant pennants below. Same distinctive "A" and "S" used in both city scripts. Same construction. Therefore, Greg, I agree: they were likely made by the same maker.

But, if that maker was WGN, then that does not answer why these two pennants look nothing like others we're 100% certain were by WGN from that year. And that, to me, is where the comparison falls apart....

Here's two 1958-dated LA Dodger and SF Giant pennants we know for certain to be by WGN. And another from later that year for the Milwaukee Braves. As you can see, these last three are nothing like the first two. So, that's why I think their maker may be someone else.

Good discussion!
Could it be that the 1958 LAD and SFG were really 1960s pennants? That the year is simply a reference to their inaugural season? I dunno, just speculating …
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No, I don't think so. WGN made polychromatic versions the following year for both LAD and SFG with a similarly undersized "1959" on them. So I think they updated each pennant, each year, for the first two years or so. Never seen a 1960-dated variant.

Here's one that hit the market before they could screen in the "59".
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No, I don't think so. WGN made polychromatic versions the following year for both LAD and SFG with a similarly undersized "1959" on them. So I think they updated each pennant, each year, for the first two years or so. Never seen a 1960-dated variant.
I have never seen a Giants version with 1959.
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I recently acquired the mid 1970s pennants pictured below. Has anyone seen the 1974 Nets pennant before? In my limited online search attempts, I found ones with no date and ones with a crown, but none with a date and no crown. Unfortunately, mine is missing the tip and has some dirt showing.

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This pennant is not rare, but obviously it’s one of the ones people want because of the date and the Dr J ties. Also tougher condition wise because it’s white. I see it occasionally, but it’s think your looks good. If the tip bothers you, you’ll be able to find another in time.
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Some recent pickups. The Super Bowl XIX is a bootleg that is very, very tough to find. Thanks to Fballguy for finding it. Super Bowl XIX is prime 49ers fandom time for me, so I'm really happy with this one.

The yellow 49ers is part of a series that I have only seen as a tough-to-find mini-pennant (9 inches, I think). This 24-inch version showed up on ebay last week, along with 24 inch versions from other early 1960s (I think) NFL teams. I like it a lot. Am going to find a place for it on the wall.

The Astros is common in dark blue, but rare in Orange.
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Old 11-23-2022, 06:45 PM
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Some recent pickups. The Super Bowl XIX is a bootleg that is very, very tough to find. Thanks to Fballguy for finding it. Super Bowl XIX is prime 49ers fandom time for me, so I'm really happy with this one.

The yellow 49ers is part of a series that I have only seen as a tough-to-find mini-pennant (9 inches, I think). This 24-inch version showed up on ebay last week, along with 24 inch versions from other early 1960s (I think) NFL teams. I like it a lot. Am going to find a place for it on the wall.

The Astros is common in dark blue, but rare in Orange.
Cool pennants Marc! I’ve never seen any of those three before.
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Thank you Greg and Jason! I really appreciate the information.
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Some recent pickups. The Super Bowl XIX is a bootleg that is very, very tough to find. Thanks to Fballguy for finding it. Super Bowl XIX is prime 49ers fandom time for me, so I'm really happy with this one.

The yellow 49ers is part of a series that I have only seen as a tough-to-find mini-pennant (9 inches, I think). This 24-inch version showed up on ebay last week, along with 24 inch versions from other early 1960s (I think) NFL teams. I like it a lot. Am going to find a place for it on the wall.

The Astros is common in dark blue, but rare in Orange.
I'll bet the Niner Super Collector doesn't even have that yellow Niners pennant. In years of searching I've never seen a set of 24" NFL pennants. Super cool get.
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The yellow 49ers is part of a series that I have only seen as a tough-to-find mini-pennant (9 inches, I think). This 24-inch version showed up on ebay last week, along with 24 inch versions from other early 1960s (I think) NFL teams. I like it a lot. Am going to find a place for it on the wall.
So, you bought some others in order to get the Niners?

Happy Thanksgiving, Pennant Guys!
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Thanks to my friends at Oxford Pennant in Buffalo, NY for sharing this wonderfully made Elton John tour pennant with me! These guys created a vintage-inspired pennant commemorating the legendary singer's final US concert, which took place at Dodger Stadium this past Sunday.

As you can see, their attention to detail was spot on, all the way down to the artwork and unique letter script used--an homage to another Buffalo pennant maker: Trench Mfg. Co., of course.

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Old 11-25-2022, 08:48 AM
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Kyle that’s awesome! Thanks for sharing. Good thing they didn’t try to copy an Ad Flag pennant!
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Another fake. He would be doing himself a favor to check in on this forum periodically...

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Another fake. He would be doing himself a favor to check in on this forum periodically...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20412019359...gAAOSwdeVjSGb7
He bought that from the clown in Canada. No way he doesn't know that's not an original. A five year old would know that's not an original.
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Another fake. He would be doing himself a favor to check in on this forum periodically...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20412019359...gAAOSwdeVjSGb7
My goodness. This doesn’t even look like an intended fake, but more like someone 6th grade arts and crafts project (including hand sewing).
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He bought that from the clown in Canada. No way he doesn't know that's not an original. A five year old would know that's not an original.
5 bids on it so far (and all 5 from different bidders). Sad
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Thanks to my friends at Oxford Pennant in Buffalo, NY for sharing this wonderfully made Elton John tour pennant with me! These guys created a vintage-inspired pennant commemorating the legendary singer's final US concert, which took place at Dodger Stadium this past Sunday.

As you can see, their attention to detail was spot on, all the way down to the artwork and unique letter script used--an homage to another Buffalo pennant maker: Trench Mfg. Co., of course.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
This is a sweet pennant. Looks exactly like the classic 1960’s Dodger Stadium type. Elton John is great show as well. My boats name is the Tiny Dancer.
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Elton John pennant on ebay

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This auction was from last year … I just came across it … wow. Incredible pennant.

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Probably not doing himself any favors showing a stack of them in the picture, but still over $100 already.
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He's making a killing.... One sold for over $200 at auction
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Probably not doing himself any favors showing a stack of them in the picture, but still over $100 already.
I thought the same. Neither the seller or the bidders are especially astute.
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Jon’s Tigers Keezer didn’t bring much.
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Jon’s Tigers Keezer didn’t bring much.
His "Pittsburgh" made up for it.
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Didn't it have a large dark stain in the lower left portion?

Just going from memory, but think I remember ruling it out immediately because of the blemish. If he ever provided more than one solitary photo, it would be easier to ascertain the condition.
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Didn't it have a large dark stain in the lower left portion?

Just going from memory, but think I remember ruling it out immediately because of the blemish. If he ever provided more than one solitary photo, it would be easier to ascertain the condition.
I just looked….it did. The crazy thing is, I think the SF Giants Keezer would go for 20x that much. I think Marc may have the only known example. One of my Holy Grails…
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Just came across this White Sox pennant. 33”. Described as 1930’s. Thoughts?
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Just came across this White Sox pennant. 33”. Described as 1930’s. Thoughts?
Looks legit and possibly older, although this is one that needs to be held to have a better idea. The tassels with the fishtailed tips are similar to a 1910s White Sox that I have.
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Agree....

Assuming it's legit, it's likely from the teens. Oversized pennants were all but gone by 1920, and I'm not aware of any authentic oversized examples from the '30s.

It would help to see a blown-up photo or see it in-person. Looks pretty cool despite the simplistic design.
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Agree....

Assuming it's legit, it's likely from the teens. Oversized pennants were all but gone by 1920, and I'm not aware of any authentic oversized examples from the '30s.

It would help to see a blown-up photo or see it in-person. Looks pretty cool despite the simplistic design.
Yeah this looks more like a tough call to me as I examine more closely. It appears that the letters were cut and embroidered, and if that’s the case they look almost too neat and straight to be of the era. I agree with Mark that even a closeup would probably reveal the truth. What’s weird is, this was auctioned in that group of three?
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Yeah this looks more like a tough call to me as I examine more closely. It appears that the letters were cut and embroidered, and if that’s the case they look almost too neat and straight to be of the era. I agree with Mark that even a closeup would probably reveal the truth. What’s weird is, this was auctioned in that group of three?
It was actually a group of nine. 7/10/08. I found those on Pinterest. Yes, Pinterest I had always thought Pinterest was a “chick site” but I’ve found a lot of stuff on there that relates to other interests of mine (motorcycles, construction, cars, etc.). A search of baseball pennants didn’t yield much but those popped up.
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My favorite Cubs pennant logo … now being auctioned with a high starting price. I hope the bears at least know each other …
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Old 12-08-2022, 04:07 PM
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These ASCO played pennants are sooooooo cool. Would love to know if there’s a checklist of sorts anywhere.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11563272066...LyeYQ&LH_BIN=1
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Old 12-08-2022, 10:12 PM
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These ASCO played pennants are sooooooo cool. Would love to know if there’s a checklist of sorts anywhere.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11563272066...LyeYQ&LH_BIN=1
That is cool. I just wish they were full size……like my Mays
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I could start a whole new tread, but I won’t….if I did, it would be titled “So glad I don’t collect cards”….I just scrolled through a 430 page catalog….380 pages of cards, some Pokemon and not one pennant. Literally ANY card can be had if you’ve got the $$$. Meanwhile, pennants and the other stuff I like can only be found through diligence, networking and good luck. I guess I’m saving a lot of money.
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I could start a whole new tread, but I won’t….if I did, it would be titled “So glad I don’t collect cards”….I just scrolled through a 430 page catalog….380 pages of cards, some Pokemon and not one pennant. Literally ANY card can be had if you’ve got the $$$. Meanwhile, pennants and the other stuff I like can only be found through diligence, networking and good luck. I guess I’m saving a lot of money.
The auction houses have been extremely disappointing lately.
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A lot of the rare/good ones have all but dried up. As an example, you never see oversized teens pennants anymore (on eBay, catalog auctions, or anywhere else).

Much of the “drought” may be that auction houses are more aggressively pursuing cards these days. They are easier to store, easier to ship and are realizing crazy prices. Makes little sense, given that most anything aside from a Wagner or Plank can readily be found any day of the week.

Collecting memorabilia is much harder work and requires lots of luck these days. Huggins & Scott always has nice pennants (last night being no exception), but the “Big Boys” in the hobby have been pretty pathetic.
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Hey Mark - remember Oregon Trail? Who were those guys? I used to love seeing the oddball memorabilia in their auctions.
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Hey Mark - remember Oregon Trail? Who were those guys? I used to love seeing the oddball memorabilia in their auctions.
They were fantastic. I recycled most of my old catalogs a few moths ago. But could not even think of tossing those Oregon Trail Catalogs. It was a plethora of memorabilia at its very finest. Magnificent pennants, trophies, statues, ad signs, broadsides, arcade games, early bats and vintage equipment.

Mastro bought the company from Scott Jaimet, and renamed it Mastro-West. They were able to maintain the quality offerings, but I think it only lasted for one or two auctions before it was dissolved. I wish there was a time machine that could take us back to the early 2000s. The great stuff was readily available and there was so much eye candy, you really had to prioritize what you planned to pursue.

So different from today, where you hope and pray there's just one or two memorabilia items to go after, while avoiding a "bloodbath".

Better days!

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Dang ... you guys are really bringing me down

Well, here's some uplifting content featuring pennants that aired on ABC World News Tonight (last night): https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/mad...eason-94897848

That should cheer you up, Mark!
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They were fantastic. I recycled most of my old catalogs a few moths ago. But could not even think of tossing those Oregon Trail Catalogs. It was a plethora of memorabilia at its very finest. Magnificent pennants, trophies, statues, ad signs, broadsides, arcade games, early bats and vintage equipment.

Mastro bought the company from Scott Jaimet, and renamed it Mastro-West. They were able to maintain the quality offerings, but I think it only lasted for one or two auctions before it was dissolved. I wish there was a time machine that could take us back to the early 2000s. The great stuff was readily available and there was so much eye candy, you really had to prioritize what you planned to pursue.

So different from today, where you hope and pray there's just one or two memorabilia items to go after, while avoiding a "bloodbath".

Better days!
Well, if we are talking about hopping in time machines, lemme go straight back to the teens where I can hoard all the oversized pennants.
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Hi Guys:

I am not a pennant collector per se but I was watching this pennant in a small auction. I collect Richie Ashburn stuff and he was listed on it, so I figured I would try to pick it up.

It went for over $600!! Has anyone seen this before? Is it super rare or something for it to go for that price or is it a $2000 pennant and some guy got a bargain?
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