PSA changes: suspended Economy service / "sold out" memberships

[scooter729]

I just checked the PSA website to see if there were any new quarterly specials posted, and saw a couple of big changes:

The Economy service ($20 submissions up to $500, 40 day turnaround) are suspended - they are not accepting any submissions under this tier for now.

New memberships (which come with the 6 or 15 submissions under the Economy service) also are sold out.

Similar to SGC, it seems like your options are either to send your cards on the bulk $10 deals and you'll see them in a year, or send them in under the Express service or higher, at $75 or more per submission.

Will this actually help them get caught up from the massive backlog - who knows. But it's getting harder and harder to make a submission and actually get it back, only to get pounded on the grades these days!

[Leon]

I suspect the new grading company, CSG, will take some of the pent up demand. No doubt i will be submitting to them as I, most likely, won't submit any cards currently due to all 3 of the main TPGs ongoing issues.

[Jcosta19]

I believe they have a $50 "regular" submission price also.

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[bobbyw8469]

I have just noticed all the changes....the BULK sub deals are now gone. There is no benefit for submitting over 100 cards now. The days of cheap grading I am afraid are gone, and PSA is looking to capitalize on the increased demand for their services.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Leon

I suspect the new grading company, CSG, will take some of the pent up demand. No doubt i will be submitting to them as I, most likely, won't submit any cards currently due to all 3 of the main TPGs ongoing issues.

Same exact sentiment here... eager to give the new guys a try. I just hope they minimize the Flips (from what was shown initially).

[scooter729]

For anyone who didn't see the full email but would like to, here it is.....
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Hello PSA Customers,

2020 has been an unprecedented year in so many ways. And amidst all the challenges the world is experiencing, the hobby we all love is thriving unlike any other time in history. We stand here at PSA on October 1, 2020 with operational improvements that have nearly doubled our capacity since January. In this same time period, the volume of submissions to PSA has more than doubled. Said differently, despite doubling capacity, turnaround times are growing.

We are continuing to expand capacity through aggressive hiring, Lean Manufacturing principles, and investments in automation efficiencies. We’ve built a new Customer Communication Center on our website to keep you informed on our growth and capacity expansion efforts.

But simply put, all our efforts and investments will not grow our capacity fast enough in the short term.

We must look at other areas, like pricing and service levels, to better align the demand for PSA services with our capacity to deliver those services.

With that in mind, we are announcing several new policies and procedures, all aimed at delivering a better experience to our customers. Here’s what changing:

Collectors Club vouchers are currently sold out. With massive growth in Gold and Platinum Collectors Club memberships, we have oversold our anticipated supply of vouchers. Therefore, we are temporarily suspending the issuance of any new vouchers. There is no restriction on the usage of existing unused vouchers.
The Economy service level is the most impacted of our services. To best serve the customers who are currently waiting for their Economy orders to be processed, we are temporarily suspending the acceptance of new trading card and dual service Economy submissions. We will continue to monitor progress on Economy orders with an intention to resume this service level soon.
PSA Value Service is changing in the following ways:
Minimum order size has been lowered to 20 cards for all categories;
Prices has been updated to $15 for Ultra-Modern (2017 – present), $12 for Modern (1972 – 2016) and $10 for Vintage (Pre-1972) and TCG;
Later this quarter, estimated Turnaround Times will be retired in favor of Complete-Through Dates.
Checks and money orders require additional steps in order processing. As a result, PSA will only accept credit card payments for orders placed through our Online Submission Center.
PSA is introducing a ‘PSA Dealer’ directory for group submissions (www.PSAcard.com/Dealers/Groupsubmissions). These dealers have signed a formal code of conduct agreement with PSA and are approved to manage and submit group submissions. We will be working directly with these dealers to ensure our shared customers are in good hands. We strongly encourage collectors to utilize Dealers found within this directory for group submissions.
Later this quarter, PSA will begin to publicly post "Complete-Through Dates" for every major service level. Customers will be able to see day-to-day progress as we advance through the backlog.

A lot of updates, with the best interest of our customers at the center of it all. These changes create three paths for PSA customers to take:

If a predictable turnaround time is most important, submit at the Regular service level or higher and you will get the cards back within the shortest possible time period. And once we roll out Complete-Through Dates later this quarter, you’ll be able to follow the progress to see how many days are left until your order is at the front of the line.
If cost is most important, submit using Value service. We’ve lowered the minimum number of cards in a Value order to make our lowest price points more accessible. We also will be phasing out any estimates of turnaround time for Value orders. Instead, later this quarter we will begin to share Complete-Through dates so you can see true data on the progress with Value orders. Although the turnaround time is longer, you will have greater visibility into the process and progress than ever before.
Our PSA Dealer directory offers a third path. Through the efficiencies of aggregating orders, professional hobby dealers may be able to offer you lower rates for the named service levels. Since your items will be sent to a dealer, your door-to-door time may be longer than using a named service directly with PSA, but likely with less effort on your part, and at a lower cost. PSA dealers are available throughout the United States and in Canada.

The hobby is stronger than ever and demand for grading services has never been higher. We appreciate the trust collectors have placed in PSA and we are working hard to usher in continued advancements to get your cards back faster.

Enjoy collecting,


Steve Sloan
President

[notfast]

PSA wants you to submit through a 3rd party/bulk submitter. Simple as that.

I’ll continue doing as such and sending in my higher end direct. No huge change here for me.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by notfast

PSA wants you to submit through a 3rd party/bulk submitter. Simple as that.

I’ll continue doing as such and sending in my higher end direct. No huge change here for me.

They did away with any bulk submission benefit.

[nsaddict]

Robert W.,
Does this indicate no more group subs that you were kind enough to undertake for years? Does one have to be an “authorized “ PSA dealer to do group subs for the time being? Much appreciation to your hard work in the past. Maybe in the future?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by nsaddict

Robert W.,
Does this indicate no more group subs that you were kind enough to undertake for years? Does one have to be an “authorized “ PSA dealer to do group subs for the time being? Much appreciation to your hard work in the past. Maybe in the future?

No...they still have them....they aren't as cheap as they were in the past.....it is $10 per card now.....Before we were paying $8. $2 per card don't sound like a lot, but if you sub say 50 cards, it is an extra $100. For a 500 card order, it is an extra $1,000 in PSA's coffers.

[swarmee]

PSA is quite literally giving you the finger. And oddly enough, the cards pictured in the middle are in holders for a 1914 Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe and a T206 Ty Cobb: strange.

Never get cheated! ;-)

[nooner10]

Originally Posted by swarmee

. And oddly enough, the cards pictured in the middle are in holders for a 1914 Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe and a T206 Ty Cobb: strange.

Good eyes!!


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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by nooner10

Good eyes!!

Someone pointed it out on blowout first. Figured it was worth sharing here.

[bmattioli]

That's an odd picture. Not getting my money no longer. Don't what to hear some yada yada yada from some dopey President of a Company..

[sportscardpete]

PSA is doing what they can to keep their higher margin mouse trap. New grading companies might make a niche with lower grade cards but they will need volume. Not great for the startups unless they build significantly in capacity upfront.

[Mike D.]

That figures...right after I decided "what the hell, I'll give it a try" and bought 35 sets and a few wax boxes with the intent on getting a bunch of stuff graded.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Leon

I suspect the new grading company, CSG, will take some of the pent up demand. No doubt i will be submitting to them as I, most likely, won't submit any cards currently due to all 3 of the main TPGs ongoing issues.

Is there an ETA on when CSG will open their doors? If they get the flip right and have decent turn times they should be able to take some Market share.

Get that flip design wrong though and people won't submit.

[maniac_73]

They will test that price elasticity of demand as much as they can

[cubman1941]

Originally Posted by Leon

I suspect the new grading company, CSG, will take some of the pent up demand. No doubt i will be submitting to them as I, most likely, won't submit any cards currently due to all 3 of the main TPGs ongoing issues.

If you want to try a group submission, I would be in.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PSA is quite literally giving you the finger. And oddly enough, the cards pictured in the middle are in holders for a 1914 Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe and a T206 Ty Cobb: strange.

Never get cheated! ;-)

Well, they did as well on those as they have on other stuff Must be the new graders just going by what's on the submission list...

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by swarmee

PSA is quite literally giving you the finger. And oddly enough, the cards pictured in the middle are in holders for a 1914 Cracker Jack Shoeless Joe and a T206 Ty Cobb: strange.

Never get cheated! ;-)

How super weird. I just went to their website to double check whether that was some fake photoshop that was making the rounds..............but there it was, plastered right on their website.

Who's in charge of their graphic design.........and why the hell did they make the conscious decision to show 2 modern cards with completely unrelated vintage card flips?

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

How super weird. I just went to their website to double check whether that was some fake photoshop that was making the rounds..............but there it was, plastered right on their website.



Who's in charge of their graphic design.........and why the hell did they make the conscious decision to show 2 modern cards with completely unrelated vintage card flips?

I would guess they took the pictures with the vintage cards and someone then decided they want to push/advertise modern so they photoshopped in the modern cards not paying attention to the actual holders.

Still kind of hilarious.

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[conor912]

The middle finger is equally absurd. No one naturally holds two cards like that.

[h2oya311]

classic! The big ol' F-U to us all plastered there for all to see!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

classic! The big ol' F-U to us all plastered there for all to see!

No, he is just letting the PSA collectors know they are #1.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Is there an ETA on when CSG will open their doors? If they get the flip right and have decent turn times they should be able to take some Market share.

Get that flip design wrong though and people won't submit.

I am going to be a Debbie Downer. The parent company of CSG seems to have many of the same problems with comic book grading that the card grading companies are having. Hopefully, CSG will be able to do things right, but I'm not holding my breath.

https://www.sellmycomicbooks.com/cgc-comics.html

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by conor912

The middle finger is equally absurd. No one naturally holds two cards like that.

Actually they do or at least Brady Hill does.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/y...nvestment.html

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Actually they do or at least Brady Hill does.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/y...nvestment.html

LOL, that's the same picture. WTF!

[swarmee]

Well, he owns the slabs...

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

LOL, that's the same picture. WTF!

Yes it is but all the fun is over now. PSA removed that graphic and has a new pic in its place.

https://www.psacard.com/dealers/groupsubmissions

[swarmee]

You can still find it at archive.org ...

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by swarmee

You can still find it at archive.org ...

It is already archived above but neither are the same as their hosting it on their site. Not much attention to detail over there, it would appear.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by conor912

The middle finger is equally absurd. No one naturally holds two cards like that.

Billy Martin in 1972?

[Luke]

To be fair, how many times have you held up two graded cards for a cameraman to take your picture? For me it's zero, so I have no idea what my natural finger placement would be.

[swarmee]

Pointer finger in front of both cards with thumb pinching them seems like it would be standard play.


Sorry for derailing your thread, Bobby... ;-)

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Billy Martin in 1972?

I wish I could have figured out a way to use the Old Judge photo but you should recognize this photo of Mr. Radbourn. Since this is a basically a pre-war board, let's use the photo of a pre-war player giving us all the finger.



1975 Fleer Cloth Patches - Laughlin Pioneers of Baseball #5 - Charles Radbourn [Good*to*VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com