Gun ownership poll

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I am also with you on waiting periods even if they help in a small case (I say that only in example, I do not know if they will help...but waiting a couple days in a depression circle can't hurt as it gives time to seek help. Sadly those requests are often overlooked, but that is for another discussion.)

Justin, this is my point entirely, along with the need for a REAL commitment to MH care. The point that was trying to be made (not a fact by any stretch, as info is only obtainable via anecdotal reporting by friends/family and failed attempt survivors) is that most MH professionals who analyze the subset of suicides by firearms suggest that a large number are 'spur of the moment' decisions that may have been prevented without access to that particular firearm at that time. Can anything be done to prevent these instances that are truly effective? Who knows.

It appeared that an attempt was made to pooh-pooh the suicide by gun rate, by pointing out that someone could be successful in countless other ways. IMO, the stat of overall suicide rate in relation to all countries is virtually meaningless in this discussion. The fact that the US is in the top tier overall, and #1 in firearm use, seems that we have several significant factors involved.

Also, I am intimately aware of the stress that those who are in the MH community experience. I commend you on your service. It is not a job it is a calling. People don't realize the enormous emotional capital that is expended daily.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Deertick

It appeared that an attempt was made to pooh-pooh the suicide by gun rate, by pointing out that someone could be successful in countless other ways. IMO, the stat of overall suicide rate in relation to all countries is virtually meaningless in this discussion. The fact that the US is in the top tier overall, and #1 in firearm use, seems that we have several significant factors involved.

If by attempt you mean successfully destroyed this ignorant argument, then yes, an attempt was made.

We have more firearms here than any other country in the world, so naturally there are going to be more suicides by firearm. In fact, I'm shocked we're not number 1.

What's appalling is your lack of care behind what is causing people to commit suicide, by your lack of care for the overall number instead of just the suicide by firearm statistic. You and many others are so hellbent on taking away firearms that you ignore the real problems.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

If by attempt you mean successfully destroyed this ignorant argument, then yes, an attempt was made.

We have more firearms here than any other country in the world, so naturally there are going to be more suicides by firearm. In fact, I'm shocked we're not number 1.

What's appalling is your lack of care behind what is causing people to commit suicide, by your lack of care for the overall number instead of just the suicide by firearm statistic. You and many others are so hellbent on taking away firearms that you ignore the real problems.

Thanks for adding your self-righteous indignation and outrage KMay. You never fail on that.

The idea that suicide rates go up with gun ownership (not just suicide by guns, but overall suicide rates more generally) is well-documented.

“Suicide attempts are often impulsive acts, driven by transient life crises,” the authors write. “Most attempts are not fatal, and most people who attempt suicide do not go on to die in a future suicide. Whether a suicide attempt is fatal depends heavily on the lethality of the method used — and firearms are extremely lethal. These facts focus attention on firearm access as a risk factor for suicide especially in the United States, which has a higher prevalence of civilian-owned firearms than any other country and one of the highest rates of suicide by firearm.”

Deertick acknowledged the mental health crisis underlying the suicide crises in this country, and that more attention/funding is needed to address the issue.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-ne...cide-risk.html

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazin.../guns-suicide/

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/...tudy-confirms/

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

If by attempt you mean successfully destroyed this ignorant argument, then yes, an attempt was made.

We have more firearms here than any other country in the world, so naturally there are going to be more suicides by firearm. In fact, I'm shocked we're not number 1.

What's appalling is your lack of care behind what is causing people to commit suicide, by your lack of care for the overall number instead of just the suicide by firearm statistic. You and many others are so hellbent on taking away firearms that you ignore the real problems.

I'm not sure if you are just being trollish or you truly have a comprehension issue.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I'm not sure if you are just being trollish or you truly have a comprehension issue.

My fear is that’s just what he thinks is an acceptable way to talk to people.

[KMayUSA6060]

In a firearm suicide, who pulls the trigger?

Go one step back.

What caused that person to put a gun to their head?

Go one step back.

What was society doing while the person was going down a dark hole?

Spoiler alert: probably arguing about restricting/banning inanimate objects.

And that's the issue.


Speaking of suicide: Epstein didn't kill himself.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Speaking of suicide: Epstein didn't kill himself.

How could he? He didn't have a gun.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

In a firearm suicide, who pulls the trigger?

Go one step back.

What caused that person to put a gun to their head?

Go one step back.

What was society doing while the person was going down a dark hole?

Spoiler alert: probably arguing about restricting/banning inanimate objects.

And that's the issue.


Speaking of suicide: Epstein didn't kill himself.

Arguing about restricting/banning inanimate objects is probably what drives people to suicide? That’s special.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Speaking of suicide: Epstein didn't kill himself.

I think he did for one reason: his life for decades was one of opulence, luxury, immense wealth, power, beautiful young women, and he knew that was all gone and he would have to live a menial life the rest of the way and wanted no part of it. I also believe the powers that be wanted the same result and purposely enabled him to do it by turning the cameras off and putting incompetent guards in charge of watching him.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I think he did for one reason: his life for decades was one of opulence, luxury, immense wealth, power, beautiful young women, and he knew that was all gone and he would have to live a menial life the rest of the way and wanted no part of it. I also believe the powers that be wanted the same result and purposely enabled him to do it by turning the cameras off and putting incompetent guards in charge of watching him.

For the amount of money he had i am surprised of the girls he picked...sort of a fast food option has Heidi Fleiss put it with Robert Kraft and the day spa...

i do think after a few years, with his power he may of gotten some sort of pardon or favor from many of his political friends.. especially once all the claims against him got resolved and there are new other matters from other people's drama for the media to focus on...