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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Jeff Lichtman, ever since you used the word meltdown over my choice of word crash in the hobby, I've given the choice of words, heavy thought. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
The impact this book has on people who actually buy and sell in the hobby will have the same impact as any "expose." Little to none. |
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Posted By: Jeff Prizner
yes, you should sell everything now! so.... uh, what do you have? |
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Posted By: Cobby33
I have some nice 87 Topps commons, raw. Want 'em? I'll give you a good deal. |
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Posted By: Jeff Prizner
87T? Nah... I can't afford vintage. |
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Posted By: Honus
I think it will have little to no effect on the hobby. It may affect the value of that one card, but I doubt that since even with the photo, it is still inconclusive. Just interesting fodor for discussion among hobby geeks like us. If I had a PSA 5 or 6 Wagner, I would be feeling pretty good right now. Those may be the new holy grails. It would be interesting to put a PSA 6 and the PSA 8 up in a head to head auction. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
I think Grenoble is a ski resort...I guess it would have a meltdown in the spring... |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Isn't it rumored that Richard Gere had an encounter with a Grenoble? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I think that any item eople spend money on in both a primary and secondary market is subject to hiccups and downturns, upticks and corrections. It's the nature of the beast - events happen that trigger people's emotions, or divert their attention, and that changes the nature of a market. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Even as we speak there's probably some registry fool, I mean collector, who wants only the best and is trying to put together the ultimate registry set. He will spend whatever it takes to buy the PSA 8 holder and not care beans about the card inside. What's there to be concerned about...if this guy doesn't buy...there's plenty of real collectors that are willing to take out a mortgage in order to raise the funds to get one of the big 4. |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
"Do you mean Chernobyl" |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I only buy high if it's green and skunky |
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Posted By: peter chao
It makes little sense to speak of a meltdown or a crash in the abstract, just pay attention to Mastro Auctions and their sales of T206 cards. If their sales are strong, then the Card had little impact. If their sales are weak...then maybe a drop in the market will be coming. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"Even as we speak there's probably some registry fool, I mean collector, who wants only the best and is trying to put together the ultimate registry set. He will spend whatever it takes to buy the PSA 8 holder and not care beans about the card inside." |
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Posted By: Joseph
The cardboard "meltdown" closely parallels the progression of events that followed the slabbing revolution in coin collecting. Many, of course, believe that grading/slabbing "ruined" the coin hobby. Because of the value added thingee, speculators pounced, made some money, some got out. Then all the cries about the subjective nature of grading. Sound familiar? Well, the coin hobby has not crashed, despite the cries of woe from the purists/old-timers. It has merely gone through a price correction. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Is it time for a rumble between the slabheads and the purists. Actually, I miss those good old days in the playground. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Is it time for a rubble between the slabheads and the purists. Actually, I miss those good old days in the playground. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, I was going to let Peter's last post just sit there and breathe for a while. Like a fine piece of art, I find that his posts become more interesting if you come back later for another look. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Bruce McNall is on the registry? |
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Posted By: peter chao
Hurry up guys...when is the rumble going to start...we need to get this moving before the moderator dude shows up. |
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Posted By: leon
I just got back into my office. I almost responded to your comments yesterday Peter, but decided to do as Jeff does and just let them breathe for a while. Even though I am not a set registry guy I am pretty sure those guys like their cards just as much as we do. There is absolutely no reason to put folks down for enjoying the hobby the way they want to. It's all good... best regards |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
It zounds like there's a meltdown happenning right before my eye's. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Just let the evidence sit there in front of the jury (Net54 members)...just let it breathe. That's a good trial tactic. I'm going to try it soon. Thanks. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i just have one question... |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
It took me a few minutes to figure out what the heck you were talking about. But in re-reading my post, it appears that somebody took a "p." |
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Posted By: JimB
"Registry fools are simply people like Bruce McNall." |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
"In our hobby, the primary and secondary markets are very different from one another - they feed off each other but they often have entirely different customers. In the primary market, nobody's going to stop buying the latest shiny stuff just because someone wrote a book about a card that's 100 years old." |
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Posted By: peter chao
Joe, |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Joe: |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
"Joe, |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
What thread was that? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
That would be this very thread. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
unfortunately - I haven't had the opportunity to post or read much in the last few weeks. |
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Posted By: Sean
Joe, |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
When Hanksta was twelve years old in 1990, tobacco-r-us was in the state of Texas, at the Texas National, trying to tell a dealer from the Mile High city that his Magie was a bummer. |
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Posted By: Brian
Al, |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Brian: |
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Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Do you think that I'm from the Investor mind set??? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Joe, for clarity's sake: |
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Posted By: peter chao
Oh, oh, I don't think you should have said that...Joe is a Puritan...from a land far away. One of those that consider themselves a founding father of the HOBBY. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
seems to me that the only people who worry about a crash/correction/meltdown or whatever else you want to call it are the ones who plan to sell their collections/accumulations. If you are a lifelong collector and plan to have your cards pried from your cold, dead fingers, what's the difference if the "market" changes? |
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Posted By: peter chao
Adam, |
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Posted By: Ed
edited due to anonymity.... |
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Posted By: sagard
...SGC rejected it for a cross over... |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
What if you see both a light and a pot of gold? Can't a person be both? |
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Posted By: leon
I don't care to enter this discussion at this point except to say that whomever you are "ED" you need to put your full name by your post. No anonymity in this thread please....thanks much.... |
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Posted By: Cobby33
There will always be those who hope for the worst, for their own personal gain. There are also those who ignore history and assume the best, eternally. |
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Posted By: peter chao
This discussion is becoming too rational, where's the Puritan (dinosaur) when you need him. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
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