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Posted By: scott
Early Obak Cigarettes Complete Unopened Box BASEBALL Item number: 5124285201 |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
people on 'ludes should not list--Spicoli |
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Posted By: scott
Go ahead Jon tear this one up! I could see this from |
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Posted By: bcornell
To be fair, Scott G. & Co. didn't make any extravagant claims for the pack - "Early packages of Obak Cigarettes contained Baseball Tobacco |
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Posted By: leon
I know Scott G fairly well and know he is not trying to be misleading on this item. Here is a pack that is period, and while it doesn't have the all important date overprint, it does at least have a 1909 stamp AND the side of it, on the slideshell flap, says there was a picture in it.....later |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
I agree w/ Leon on this one... surely not as bad as Jersey. L&M gives it away... nice pack Leon, BTW... |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Ohh, and here is a 1909 Obak with the card that was inside... |
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Posted By: scgaynor
Please tell me what is so bad about this? This is no different than selling those mayo tins that date to the 1910's, but have display value for an early card collection. |
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Posted By: honus3415
By listing the item in the category of "....Cards > Baseball-MLB > Singles (pre-1930) > Non-Graded" it would tend to make the not-so-knowledgeable collector think there was a card inside, especially since the description doesn't state differently and nearly half the description of the item is card related. |
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Posted By: scgaynor
I listed the card in that category because that is my target audience. It would not make much sense for me to post it anywhere else as the pack has little collectible interest in other areas. |
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Posted By: hankron
I support Scott and his auctions, but think the auction is deceptive. The combination of the title and description could easily be read by an inteligent person to mean that the pack will contain a baseball card. |
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Posted By: runscott
So Scott knows there is no card in the pack, and elected not to mention that, because he might lose bids from people who hope there is a card in the pack. He definitely told no lies. I posted a Sovereign pack a week ago, and stated that there was no card in the pack, mainly because I was posting in the pre-1930 card category. On re-reading this description, I probably should have said "there has never been a card in this pack". The 1902 tax stamp should give that away, but who knows. Also, I have over 60 auctions running, and I'm sure one of the "anti-runscotts" can find at least one misleading description among those |
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Posted By: scgaynor
David, I would have to disagree with the "intelligent" comment in your last post. I don't think that anybody who knows what they are talking about would believe that there is a Baseball card in this pack. |
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Posted By: runscott
I think I'm about to appear stupid, but why would no intelligent person believe that there is a card in the box? |
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Posted By: scott
Mr.Gaynor , though I have followed your auctions in the past and find you sell some great material. Your wrong on this one. I feel the copy IS misleading. I mean no disrespect. My thought was the listing may have been done in haste omitting more key information. LOL |
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Posted By: scgaynor
Scott F., I have enjoyed having you as a customer, and have always tried to answer your questions. Even though this is a full time job, I enjoy discussing the material. |
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Posted By: scgaynor
Just as a follow-up, on the advice of Leon, and to avoid future confusion, I did add to the item desciption that there is no card in the pack. I can't amend the basic description since the item already has bids, but I did add it at the bottom. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tax stamp has "twelve" on the bottom of the tax stamp. I always thought that Baseball tobacco cards came in boxes of ten cigarettes. (?) |
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Posted By: scott
Thank you. I look forward to viewing and buying more items from your company. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
By your own admission you know there is no way any baseball cards are in that package, yet you feature the word baseball prominently, go into depth about the baseball card issues of Obak, and list the item in the prewar baseball card section. You have violated at least two Ebay policies I know of: |
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Posted By: hankron
Personally, I don't mind the pack being listed in the baseball card section and being promoted to baseball fans. Without a card it still likely is of interest to Obak baseball card collectors. It just should have been clear that the bidder shouldn't expect a card inside. It's a stretch to expect even experienced card collectors to know that a pack with 'Liggett & Myers' printed on the bottom won't contain a card. |
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Posted By: runscott
I recently started selling stuff on ebay again (and buying), and was in a real quandry as to what category to list vintage baseball memorabilia. Originally I was going to put old baseball photos in the "photos" section, 1800's baseball publications in the "antique books" section, etc. |
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Posted By: scgaynor
Adam, you are really showing your ignorance. Once again, your reading comprehension is your problem. |
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Posted By: Richard dwyer
I believe it's the buyer's responsibility to ask questions if uncertain. I did so with one of SCGaynor's other listings. He was honest and answered back promptly. If he didn't respond back to my email, I wouldn't be bidding on his stuff. |
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Posted By: John
At the risk of looking like as Lee would say a “dunderhead”? |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
You know, the more you insult me, the more obvious it is that you don't want to address what you actually wrote. My commentary at the top was unnecessarily polemical, for which I apologize (I must have had a lousy day). None of that changes the wording in the listing, however, which is misleading. |
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Posted By: FatBoy
When you resorted to name calling, "JACKASS" to be specific, you reduced the nature of a public topic to a personal assault. Now you scurry and hide behind the professional veil of lawyering with your overly specific technical replies, citations of civil law and disingenuous contriteness . I would submit, in the future, you are more circumspect in choosing your words so as not to suffer us your obtuseness. |
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Posted By: scgaynor
I was not really upset at the name calling or even the criticism of my auction description. I was upset at the suggestion that I my description was intentionally misleading. |
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Posted By: MW
Fatboy, |
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Posted By: scgaynor
MW, actually it didn't make "perfect sense" at all, it was off on a several points, but it was not worth it to keep arguing, so I let it drop. |
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Posted By: MW
scgaynor, |
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Posted By: scgaynor
One of the reasons that I was fine with letting it drop was because he apoligized, but he still never completely let go of the suggestion that I was somehow being intentionally misleading. And then there was that whole "distinction between package and box" thing...... |
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Posted By: steve k
Trying to convince a lawyer to stop arguing? That is like trying to convince a dog to stop barking |
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Posted By: Elliot
FWIW, I don't think anybody that has dealt with Scott thought that he was deliberately misleading, and I find it hard to believe that his reputation has been impaired. However, the listing could have been clearer, but when you are listing a lot of items sometimes an assumption could be made which would result in some additional verbiage not being added that would add clarity. |
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Posted By: John
Is this a typical ending price or was the final bidder under the impression that we have posted about above. Not trying to beat a dead horse but it just seems high or maybe I’m just removed from the market place and have no idea of value on the above cigarette pack. I would have guessed a lot lower. I mean the Piedmont display piece I thought would have a larger target audience than the Obak pack for display. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
That's a new one for me... |
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Posted By: John
My guess: |
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Posted By: Elliot
right, John |
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Posted By: Steve T.
Coming out of lurk mode for a moment... |
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