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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: doug
If for example there is a t206 card, say a common, that has 3 examples graded PSA 8 or better, how many out there are ungraded but would at least grade 8 or better? Im guessing maybe 8-1 ratio? Is this too high or too low? In otherwords, I wonder what percentage of high grade T 206 cards have been encapsulated and professionally graded already? I cant believe it would be more than 25%, but i could be wrong. Unless you are getting ready to sell your cards, Im guessing a lot of collectors dont have a pressing reason to spend alot of money to get them graded. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
I think a pretty high percentage of high grade T206's have already been graded. There is such an incentive to do so that I would guess most are already entombed. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Probably 80% or more of the cards that would graded PSA 8 or SGC 88 are already graded. Most cards that collectors think are nmt-mt are really not. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
Doug, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
I would agree with Jim's numbers, although it's just a gut feeling. I have no data. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: E, Daniel
I'll go 65%-75% already slabbed. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimB
I agree with Jim C. There may be a few more that come out of old collections, but I doubt there are many more out there. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
If there are reclusive serious collectors out there with high grade collections, how would you find out about their collections? Unless you find out about their collections it would be difficult to calculate percentages. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: ItsOnlyGil
Ask Leon to put up a new poll question for those reclusive serious collectors (many of whiom do not have a computer) and tell them to identify how many PSA8 cards they have ... for those of them who have heard of PSA. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Peter, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Matt
If a card exists in a collection where no one can see it and no one knows about it, does it really exist? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- there's a guy living in a cave with high grade T206's? That's fascinating! |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The cave man is Osama Bin Laden.....we hear he has lots of $$, so he can afford the best. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Jason L
That sounds like a perfect scenario/backdrop for a scene in a Monty Python movie of some sort...or at least a Saturday Night Live skit |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: MVSNYC
i agree with Jim's number...80% graded... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
A cave has a lot of humidity, and not a good environment for baseball cards! |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
Michael- in the old days high grade cards were protected in screwdown lucite holders...we had the same idea, just didn't have those labels and holograms. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: T206Collector
...the height of raw card collecting was 1987 (or thereabouts), and most of the people who collected mint raw pre-war cards started at that time, then there is probably going to be some amount of influx when those people turn them over upon retirement or, sadly, death. Lets say they were, on average, 40 in 1987. Then I would guess between now and the next 20 years, we will see a meaningful influx over this period. But in 20 years from now, I would guess the number of ungraded raw mint pre-war would be quite low. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: MVSNYC
Barry- i collected before PSA came about...i have hundreds of those screw-down lucite holders, so i know all about them... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
I agree- in the old days we graded cards with a different standard. If it looked near mint at arm's length we called it near mint. Today there are objective standards (which are actually extremely subjective) that relagate a lot of these so-called near mint cards to the mid-grade level. Everyone has gone through the disappointment of sending old time collections in to be slabbed, only to receive grades well below their expectations. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
I'll agree with that. But the same type of bias works when we are purchasing high grade cards. The seller tells us there's a limited number in PSA 8, so we believe him and make the purchase. Of course, the auction house wouldn't exaggerate...or would they? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: barrysloate
Well Peter, those numbers are actually documented in the pop report. And while there are some inaccuracies due to resubmissions, you can't call something a "pop 3" if PSA shows that 8 examples were graded. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
Your right Barry, I'm really talking about hype like this is rare, or one of a kind etc. Also, the fact that you are paying a lot of money for a high grade card, I would think that would bias people towards thinking there really couldn't be that many unslabbed high grade cards out there. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
It would take a lot of work, but one way of approaching the problem would be obtaining data from grading companies on the number of PSA 8s and higher they graded in a particular year. Let's say this is done for a 10 year period, then you look at whether there's an upward trend to the total no. in each year or whether there was a downward trend. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Seems to me that folks who collect graded T206s, who like graded T206s, think a high percentage of near mint T206 cards must be graded. Why wouldn't they be? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimB
Perhaps an interesting question would be how long any given card remains in one collection. Lionel Carter's '33 Goudeys remained in his collection for 74 years, but I doubt that is the norm. I would seriously doubt there are many more original collections of '33 Goudeys in the hands of people who bought them in packs. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
JimB, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: cmoking
regarding Lionel Carter's T206 set that resided in his collection for 70+ years - how many SGC 88+ cards came out of his collection? Mastro's old auction isn't online anymore. IIRC, it was very few, if any. So, if the guy that cared the most about condition in the old days has very few...well, that tells me either that there are very few raw left and most are graded (say 70%+)...or PSA 8 cards have been created. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Absolutely none of the really good white border tobacco cards I've bought were graded. I've bought from dealers and individuals, through the mail, at collectors' homes, and at shows. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
In my limited knowledge of T206 sets out there in the population, I have personally seen two ungraded |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Brett
I think the real question is how many of the PSA 7s-9s are altered... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: ItsOnlyGil
Every PSA8 was raw for 80 years or so, and they survived. Chiefly because they were "put away". Whan PSA arrived on the scene some of these "put aways" came out. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I doubt that 80% of old collectors with T206 sets have heard of PSA... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Solomon Cramer
On the number of 8/88s graded as of Dec 31 1995? 1996, 1997, ...2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, ... 2006? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: cmoking
Ted, its always good to hear about personal experiences with seeing raw cards that would probably grade that high...thank you. Over the two sets - approximately how many 8s do you think are in them? And how many others would you guess collected like the two collectors you mentioned. And lastly, what percentage o |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimB
Frank, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: cmoking
my post got cut off...I'll repost: |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimCrandell
JimB, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
A related question: if all the PSA 8s in the world were cracked out of their holders what percentage would regrade? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Brian
This question can't be answered because the number of nrmt/mt raw T206 cards is growing daily. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Marc S.
often amazes me... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
To your inquiry...... |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
JimB and JimC, you guys collect high grade slabbed cards. I don't collect them. |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: T206Collector
Putting aside whether or not PSA can accurately keep track of and publicize the number of a certain card graded a certain condition -- a fact never proven to my satisfaction -- what about recent microtrimmed cards getting holdered and affecting populations? |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimB
Frank, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: peter chao
Frank, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Frank, |
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ratio of psa 8 graded t206 cards to ungraded cards that would grade 8 or better?
Posted By: ItsOnlyGil
Why when the subject is the grade of a card we work together as advesaries? When the subject is any other technical characteristic of cards, we work as colleagues. |
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