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Old 04-24-2021, 06:43 PM
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Default V100 1923 Willards Chocolate - Fred Cy Williams?

Is the player depicted on the 1923 V100 Willards Chocolate card Fred Cy Williams of the 1923 Philadelphia Phillies, or some other Fred C Williams?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...illicy01.shtml

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"Hello. I am a direct descendant and avid collector of Fred Cy Williams and any memorabilia associated with his name. My mother, was spent countless hours with Fred Williams tells me that the person in that photograph is not Fred Cy Williams. The signature doesn't match, and the picture doesn't resemble all the family pictures we have here at home ... The signature on the card does match a long time professional baseball scout by the name of Fred Cy Williams, but not the 4 time home run champ"

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Not the Cy Williams who once played for the Cubs, and who batted left:
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Not the Cy Williams who once played for the Cubs, and who batted left
Agreed!
So which Fred C. Williams was important enough to get a card in the V100 set but not appear on baseball-reference.com? Or did they intend it to be Fred Cy Williams but put a photo of the wrong player?
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Almost certainly the latter, as Cy was a star who would not have been left out of the set intentionally-- at least I doubt so.
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Can anyone make out what letters on the uniform? Definitely 'S' on the end, and perhaps a 'B' or 'E' before that? Perhaps a Cubs or Braves or Phillies player?

Brian (definitely not an uniform identifier)
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Feels like GIANTS to me.
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My Great Great uncle ELMER Miller is in this set. The autographs are facsimiles, not the actual players autograph. I have Elmer Miller’s 1919 contract and the signiature on his V100 card is not even close to matching the one on his contract.
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Those signatures used for those cards were not the actual signature examples of the players I would say
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