REA Aution guess what goes for the most

[MR RAREBACK]

this is going to be tuff

[wazoo]

T206 Cross Tolstoi is going to set a record...not compared to the others...but exciting to watch.

[pokerplyr80]

The Ruth is the only one I could even make an educated guess as to the value, and even though I've been keeping an eye on recent sales prices they are still hard to predict.

[Jason]

Goudey Ruth, but wouldn't be surprised by any of the four honestly nowadays.

[rats60]

I remember buy a case of the SP Authentic Golf for $300. I guess I should have kept it sealed instead of having fun opening it trying to hit the Tiger.

[G1911]

I'm surprised by the Brown's current price, for a non-major sport card. I've either way underpaid for similar T cards or this price is already awfully high. Gorgeous set, fairly undervalued until a few years ago when it seemed the 4 baseball players really drove broader interest than these issues normally get.

[ezez420]

First I want to say that this isn’t my card as I own the PSA 3 and highest grade out there.

I have no problem owning another because the demand for this card is extremely high. I have owned 3-4 sets in the last 5+ years and have handled 1 card which I own. I made this set years ago with both Miners and HLC backs and still in PSA registry.

There only seems to be a few of you that really seem to understand the true rarity of this set. I had kept it quiet and only told very few people about the card as I tried to obtain another. I saw David had one of these as he posted a few years ago and I tried to obtain. But he is basing on my knowledge of the card and my findings to hype more

Another fact that I will share is when the person broke up the #1 PSA set the only card he was missing was the Brown and he was willing to pay close to 5 figures for it then to me. I passed.

My info was based on what I had learned having handled 100+ of the T227 cards.

Scott is another person that can attest this card is never found that has handled many of these as well. He is active in the Nonsports world and the sports world and has handled 100+ of these. Only one has come up in auction in Heritage years ago and the other on eBay which are encapsulated now.

This has been the only card anyone has needed to complete their t227 sets. That’s because there are a couple more Rodgers out there that are raw or in Sgc holders and converted (IE mine used to be in an Sgc holder).

This card is one of the toughest Shortprints in the 20th century just like the 1935 Schutter Johnson Weightlifter, Lindstrom in the US Caramel and McKinley in US Caramel.

And the fact that it is part of the best art worked set in the early 20th that houses an in demand baseball set with Cobb, boxing set with Johnson and that Brown is a Pioneer in the racing world that died tragically when the set was made makes it that more elusive.


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[rhettyeakley]

Ed, good to hear your perspective.

I was probably a bit harsh when I made my comments earlier in this thread.

I am no “Newb” when it comes to this set and non-sports cards. I have owned a few near sets of this series and like most I needed the Brown and a few others when I was pursuing the set.

I know the set is popular and has had its loyal following for quite some time and I have sold several cards to Cliff and others to help them out with their sets and knew the cards that were considered “tough” cards (or more appropriately the “buy if you ever see them” cards)

I am just shocked that any card from a series like this (even with the baseball connection) could ever bring this type of money. The price point that this is going for is just completely unprecedented in the non-Big 4 sports card or Non-Sports card world. Other than baseball cards (and a select few hockey cards) there is just nothing in the entire T-card (or C-card) era that has ever come close to this type of pricing, and that includes crazy rarities like the Kopec Jack Johnson. Just a level of interest that really shocked a seasoned collector of both Sports and Non-Sports cards of many years.

Nobody is happier about some of the “outside of the mainstream” sets getting the recognition they probably deserve than I am. These are the kind of sets that I really love.

On a related note:
I found what I believe to be the only known large advertising poster (actually on thick stock) for the T227 set a few years back. When I shared that there was only a certain small number of people seemed to care which is maybe why I felt taken aback by the response to this rarity. I just didn’t realize there were that many T227 set collectors beyond the baseball and Jack Johnson cards that typically sold for pretty good money.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Ed, good to hear your perspective.

I was probably a bit harsh when I made my comments earlier in this thread.

I am no “Newb” when it comes to this set and non-sports cards. I have owned a few near sets of this series and like most I needed the Brown and a few others when I was pursuing the set.

I know the set is popular and has had its loyal following for quite some time and I have sold several cards to Cliff and others to help them out with their sets and knew the cards that were considered “tough” cards (or buy “buy if you ever see them” cards)

I am just shocked that any card from a series like this (even with the baseball connection) could ever bring this type of money. The price point that this is going for is just completely unprecedented in the non-Big 4 sports card or Non-Sports card world. Other than baseball cards (and a select few hockey cards) there is just nothing in the entire T-card (or C-card) era that has ever come close to this type of pricing, and that includes crazy rarities like the Kopec Jack Johnson. Just a level of interest that really shocked a seasoned collector of both Sports and Non-Sports cards of many years.

Nobody is happier about some of the “outside of the mainstream” sets getting the recognition they probably deserve than I am. These are the kind of sets that I really love.

On a related note:
I found what I believe to be the only known large advertising poster (actually on thick stock) for the T227 set a few years back. When I shared that there was only a certain small number of people seemed to care which is maybe why I felt taken aback by the response to this rarity. I just didn’t realize there were that many T227 set collectors beyond the baseball and Jack Johnson cards that typically sold for pretty good money.

can you share a picture of the poster? would like to see that. thanks!

[rhettyeakley]

I’ll have to dig through the pictures on my computer when I get home.

On a sad note on the poster. I found it on eBay years ago as a Buy It Now where the seller didn’t realize that it was related to a card set. I purchased it but they did a really bad job shipping and it was pretty damaged by the poor packing job. I still have all the pieces and it could be restored but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.

[rhettyeakley]

A little digging and I found the old thread...

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=230223

I don’t know of any other set other than T227 with the Honest brand that this poster would be advertising. It is slightly? Trimmed in left side and think it may have been used as a backing in a picture frame or something which is why it was slightly trimmed and why it survived. It refers to swimmers specifically so it may have been a series of these featuring different sports or something along those lines.

[ezez420]

That is awesome Rhett. I see the pack posted is like the one I have. I have a couple vintage cigarette packs for this set (HLC & ME) but do you know how one can tell the pack houses a Card?



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[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by ezez420

That is awesome Rhett. I see the pack posted is like the one I have. I have a couple vintage cigarette packs for this set (HLC & ME) but do you know how one can tell the pack houses a Card?



Ed


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I don't know that would be possible simply from the pack itself, I could be wrong though.

You could try to date it I suppose but I have a feeling that unless you have a bunch from the same vintage source and open one to confirm I think it would all be speculation.

[MR RAREBACK]

Last day

[chadeast]

Babe took the crown as expected. $55k, $66k with the BP. Wow.

T227 leveled off at 23k, and the Upper Deck golf case went for 21k.

[bobbyw8469]

Did anyone else noticed the "altered" Jackie Robinson rookie PSA 7 that sold for 350k?!?!?!?! Looks like someone erased something to the left of Jackie's head on it.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Did anyone else noticed the "altered" Jackie Robinson rookie PSA 7 that sold for 350k?!?!?!?! Looks like someone erased something to the left of Jackie's head on it.

I won't comment on whether the Robinson rookie was altered, but it does look like that card is the new post-war king. A not perfectly but pretty well-centered PSA 7 52 Topps Mantle went for $264K and the Robinson went for 90K more. Maybe Robinson had already surpassed Mantle before this but this was PSA 7 vs. PSA 7 in the same auction. [I don't own either card, just commenting on the results.]

[ezez420]

Well now I will own 2 Brown cards and I am a legitimate buyer.

I will be questioning the legitimacy though as I agree with Ted’s comments. If a card hasn’t surfaced in auction for 18 years and bidding stops after the posts then something is odd.

I will comment again on a future date when I have it. And if I don’t then will expose person playing games if so.



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[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Well now I will own 2 Brown cards and I am a legitimate buyer.

I will be questioning the legitimacy though as I agree with Ted’s comments. If a card hasn’t surfaced in auction for 18 years and bidding stops after the posts then something is odd.

I will comment again on a future date when I have it. And if I don’t then will expose person playing games if so.



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So it was you who won this card? And What’s the conspiracy?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Well now I will own 2 Brown cards and I am a legitimate buyer.

I will be questioning the legitimacy though as I agree with Ted’s comments. If a card hasn’t surfaced in auction for 18 years and bidding stops after the posts then something is odd.

I will comment again on a future date when I have it. And if I don’t then will expose person playing games if so.



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It's a very cool card. I'd love to see your other copy simply for the research and curiosity of how many are out there. I'm not a T227 collector but it's a fun exercise to track heavy rarities known populations over time and speculate how many are really out there. This was the 3rd Brown I've seen an image of

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's a very cool card. I'd love to see your other copy simply for the research and curiosity of how many are out there. I'm not a T227 collector but it's a fun exercise to track heavy rarities known populations over time and speculate how many are really out there. This was the 3rd Brown I've seen an image of

I like the T227 set as well. I think that it is an under-appreciated set.

erez420, congratulations on your pick up. I have images of 5 different Brown cards and would love to view an image of your other example to see if it is one that I already have or a new one.

[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

I like the T227 set as well. I think that it is an under-appreciated set.

erez420, congratulations on your pick up. I have images of 5 different Brown cards and would love to view an image of your other example to see if it is one that I already have or a new one.

+1
Extremely under appreciated set! Great pick up Ed!
Ed you are probably the expert when it comes to T227 Browns!

[Kidnapped18]

Quick search shows PSA has 4 examples listed: Ed owns the PSA 3 and PSA 2 (REA example)
Rif Ram has the PSA 1.5 listed in his set, John E. has a raw Brown possibly the PSA 1.

SGC shows 3 examples: SGC 1.5, SGC 1 and an SGC A

The Met Museum also has a raw example so that puts us at 8 possibly known examples

There maybe 1 or 2 more raw in private collections or "undiscovered" yet

I believe all the known examples are Honest Long Cuts as there are no Miners Extra examples...maybe Ed can confirm

Tony

[ezez420]

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[robertsmithnocure]

ezez420, thank you for posting the picture. I already had an image of your card, but it was before it was graded. Nice looking card.

[ezez420]

I have yet to see or hear of a ME Brown or Rodgers. If they are SP cards then maybe the ME version came out later after the two cards were pulled.

Another thing I can confirm is that my Psa 3 was ungraded prior to me submitting and from what I know about the psa 2 it was also ungraded and never in an Sgc holder.

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[ezez420]

Thanks! PSA is extremely tough on this set compared to SGC. That sounds about right 1-2 grades lower than SGC.


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