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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Why does it seem like there are never any available? Do collectors get buried with them or something? I haven't been looking for them for any great length of time and I don't search for them on a regular basis, but out of all the OJ's on ebay at any given time there are usually no Louisville players. On occasion an auction house will have a group of them and they aren't exactly cheap from what I've seen. There are some big names, like Browning and Cross, and some cool names, like "Chicken" Wolf and Dude Esterbrook, but that can't be the whole reason. Are they just plain tough or just heavily collected or both? I know people are tight lipped regarding OJ's, but any info would be great. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I've never studied the Louisville cards, but I can tell you if they're anything like Omaha cards they are just plain tough. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I'll fetch a few tomorrow and post scans. But I've not added any to my few for several years. So I hear you... |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Bobby Binder
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Why Bobby, |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
are tougher than the norm. Collected them for quite a while (living in Louisville) and had about 25 when I sold most of my OJ's off a few years back. I had (3) Brownings. The mgr card of Kelly (I think) is probably the toughest or one of the toughest. I've been told only a couple are known. Shannon is another one of the tougher cards as well. I had 2-3 N173 OJ Cabinets and 7 'proofs' as well. 6 on Scholten Studios mounts from St. Louis and one on a Wybrant mount from Louisville. Bought 4 of the proofs from an Oregon trail auction and 2 of them from Lipsets. Don't really remember where the Wybrant cabinet came from. It was Farmer Vaughan I believe. Liked the Wybrant cabinet the most. Will post some of the proof pictures here later when I have access to my external hard drive with photos on it. I don't know the tough poses from the team and I seriously doubt any light will be shed on that in this thread by anyone in the know but as with all of the OJ's there are tough poses of easy players that are closely held to the vest of just a few with the knowledge. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Thanks Tom. Awesome cabinet. I know no one is going to give up their closely held secrets about the tough poses and I wouldn't expect them to do that. Just wanted to get a sense of where they are in general and maybe see some pics. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Well I'm worried, I thought I had 3 of these, can only find one. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Here is my one and only so far. Ehret and Stratton combined to win 59 games and throw almost 800 innings in 1890. You think they burned these guys out or what? |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
How tough are Louisville subjects compared to Chicago Maroon subjects? Any thoughts? |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Jay
Bruce--They are both tougher than average but I think in general Maroons are tougher. The most important point though is that there is tremendous variation within each. There are some Maroons, like Schoeneck, that are not much tougher than average and others, like Boyd, who are very tough. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Can anyone out there post a scan of the Dude Esterbrook? Is the Kelly a portrait in street clothes? If not, are there any portraits? |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Eric
Paul |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Jay
Paul--Kelly-Manager has two poses, a portrait looking left and a full length photo with his coat over his left arm. As far as I know each has only one known copy. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Fred C
Paul, |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: john/z28jd
There's one in the Oregon find found on this page |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Esterbrook with Louisville........... |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Great stuff Tom...thanks for showing them. And how can anyone tell what team that Esterbrock above is from? Is the team name faded or was it never on the card? |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Think his other poses are with Indianapolis.........I'm sure the Louisville on the Jersey and on the photo were etched onto the negative....... |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'm asking about the one Fred posted...the N172. I should have been more specific. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Joe_G.
Fabulous cards, a great but tough team to collect. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Jay
Dan--Script cards do not show teams other than what may be on the players jersey. Esterbrook was on New York at the time the script cards were issued. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Joe_G.
Just like to add that after looking at the 7th pose from Levin's website, it is apparent that it, a Louisville card, is based on a Indianapolis photo. So all of Esterbrook's Louisville cards are "team change" cards. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Fred C
After looking at this thread I've come to the conclusion that Louisville can't be that tough to collect... look how many scans were posted! There's some pretty jaw dropping stuff posted. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Dude!! |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Jay
There is no N173 of Kelly-mgr |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: paulstratton
Thanks Jay. More rookie/dumb questions to follow. |
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Louisville N172's
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
I dropped you a dupe of Browning cabinet out.......sent it FedEx.......hope it makes it. You know, they are unreliable sometimes........ |
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