whats the difference between these 2 cards?

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Besides price,they are both t206s with no name at the bottom.I have the Burns right in front of me and it is full size,untrimmed,and doesnt have even a hint of the letters up top or on the bottom.Comparing it to other t206s that i have,it should have at least partial lettering on the bottom showing with the amount of border....and nothing against Gregs card but its alot nicer,with no creases. So why were so many people willing to pay so much more for the Unglaub,is it just because its graded?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5159967448&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5161965763&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT

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Posted By: dan mckee

one has a full bottom with NO printing and is very rare. Other is just miscut so you can't see name and team. These are VERY different!

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I'll tell you what i told a couple other people Dan.Putting it next to other t206s,it is full size height-wise and there should be at least 1/2 or minimum 1/3rd of the name at the bottom of the Burns

Ive seen t206s with names in the picture,in the frame of the picture,right under the picture and further down than normal. If a card is full size and has enough border at the bottom to contain at least a partial name,than it should be a no name.How do you know the name on the Unglaub wasnt just below the factory cut line and ended up on the top of another card?

Burns card is full size,and doesnt have even a partial name up top or bottom,yet theres enough room for either....so why isnt it considered a no name?

I should add that i used a centimeter ruler to compare the bottom border on this card to names on other t206s and where they start as compared to the picture,before i posted this thread

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Posted By: john/z28jd

by the way,going by my reasoning i would obviously not consider this a no name card.This is obviously a miscut card with no room for even a partial name at the bottom

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5163397047&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Sorry to be a David Rudd in this thread but heres a better question...

How much bottom border does there have to be for a card to be considered a no name? and who made up this rule that you go by?

To me it seems pretty easy
1) card has to be full sized
2) card has to have no name top or bottom(duh)
3) card cant be altered to erase the name,or have paper loss where the name should be
4) card has to have bottom border and it has to be big enough to include even a partial name

I have a few t206s with the same bottom border cut as this one that have partial names,and a couple of them even have partial names up top

BTW,my cards not going anywhere no matter what people think of it(sorry to those people who offered)

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Provided that they are really bad (i.e., not short borders but actual missing image elements, ideally with another card partially showing). I have a few of them and I am trying to acquire one from each major T and E set. So far, T201-T205(back)-T207-T212 (series of 175) and E75 (back) are in the bag. Best part of all is that most dealers consider them low grade trash.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

John:

I will agree that your card MUST have been the TOP card on the printing sheet...

because there is no other explanation for why there is not a name on TOP of your card where that BIG border is.

Can you just send the card to the Mastro "stabilizer" and ask him to SHIFT your guy's picture up on the cardboard about 1/8 of an inch so that the BIG blank border is on the bottom??

Apparently, It would be worth about $810 for you to do this.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Hal,ive already trimmed about 1/8th of an inch off the top border and glued it to the bottom border.It looks about right now.I also put the glove on the correct hand for Burns,wiped that goofy grin right off his face

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I agree with John that there should be some portion of the name showing on the bottom there is enough border there to have some printing showing if there was some.

Lee

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Posted By: Rob McKenzie

Seems like alot of the difference in price is due to karatebro's description and presentation. If he had put 'error' or 'no name' in the title or description, then that card would have gone for more than $30..

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Posted By: Jeff McKee

Hi John,
The difference is that you got the card for $5. less then what I paid for it. Congrats to Greg for utilizing GAI's typing skills in this one. It just shows how many people are buying that label on the front of that Slab.

Hi Rob,
I could buy a card today in ex. for $40 and sell it tomorrow and only get $25. It seems no matter how I list a auction they always go lower then others of the same style.

There has been alot of talk about T206's as of late and I am wondering when someone is going to start a self help site like T206-anonumus or
T206-cardaholics.com for all of us infected junkies.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Dont worry Jeff,the Burns card isnt going anywhere anytime soon so it will always be worth what i paid for it.Plus i left you some non-standard feedback(not as bad as Leons,dont worry,but it shows i put love into each feedback i leave). I just wanted to know why people trusted a grading companies standard of a no name,and its obvious people here have different standards of what a no name exactly is,rather than their own judgment.

If that card wasnt graded by GAI theres no way it would get close to that amount and usually for lower grade t206s(vg or less) grading doesnt help the value.This is obviously a special case but to me there isnt a $780 value difference between the 2 cards.

Im not trying to say the buyer of the Unglaub got a bad deal or gloat that i got a good deal.Thats not what the thread was about

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Posted By: Rob McKenzie

Hi, Jeff

You'll get'em the next time. As far as a website for t206 junkies, I thought that's what this site was.

Regards

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Posted By: Jeff M.

Hi John,
After I mailed the card out I seen the other auction. Most of the time I wont even look at the graded T206 auctions and when I seen the going price curiosity made me look. Needless to say I was a bit shocked at first when I seen the auction was for the same type of cut as the Burns. As you said everyone has there own opinion on these cards and I agree with you, I think the Burns is a very nice looking card, but for under $40.

Hi Rob,
I was hoping to get someone to be online 24 hours a day to take everyones questions about all of their card collecting issues. Such as lost or won auctions, sold or traded cards or just the fasination with dead guys on old cardboard.

Have a great night everybody

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Posted By: john/z28jd

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5164456770&rd=1

dont know why i felt compelled to post this

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Posted By: dan mckee

based on this picture, I think the entire name line could be completely cut off. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57993&item=5163458911&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Posted By: john/z28jd

name lines on all the t206s can be cut off Dan,all you need is scissors or a razor which works better.In fact if anyone wins that Burns Dan posted,ill remove the name for free(minus shipping costs)

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Posted By: dan mckee

Thanks for that education but I was answering your post that at least some of the name should be showing on the one you posted and I disagree, I think there is enough white between the name and the field so that the entire name could be factory missing. Dan.

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Sorry Dan i knew what you were doing i just decided to make a funny.The reason you posted your Burns scan,was the same reason i posted the one right before you which just proves the name couldve started anywhere on the card bottom.Like i said i have seen at least 3 t206s with the name in the picture and i have one with the name centered on the picture frame so it just proves theres no set distance from the picture the name should start.Theres an average spot where it should start but you only get an average by factoring in everything from the highest to lowest point.

Thats why i said the name for the Unglaub couldve just been too low and thats why no name showed up.I dont believe it was purposely done with no name,and ive never seen an Unglaub with the name so light that next step would be it totally missing because the ink ran dry