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Posted By: Sean

This item has the ever so famous "Christopher Morales" authentication to it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=280316322362&Category= 27265

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Old 03-01-2009, 11:19 AM
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Posted By: Mike Navarro

Go to the bottom of the listing, under other options, there will be a link called "Report this item", click it, and then answer the prompts as follows:

File a report
Counterfeits and copyright violations
Bootlegs and counterfeit media
Counterfeit autographs


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it's been "authinicated."

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Posted By: Mike

I would love to bid on some autograph items and cards. However, I have a gut feeling a large percentage of certified autographs are fakes. Perhaps I don't know enough about the industry, but if you give me a pen and a stack of cards, I would hate to guess how many fake autographs I could get PSA/DNA certified.

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Do it and find out.


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Posted By: Andrew S.

Mike, I can guarantee that there are more authentic autographs that get rejected than there are fakes that get authenticated. I've seen too many authentic vintage autographs get rejected to think otherwise.

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Posted By: Joel

while you are reporting fake autos....let ebay know about all the fake GAI Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, Koufax etc that have been flooding the market.

I don't think they pull them unless there's a psa/dna quick opinion done and it comes back 'likely not genuine'.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I don't know why anyone would even discuss the possibility that this is genuine. Authentication by Christopher Morales is enough for me.

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I doubt it will get dumped but I'm sick of the Coach's Corner people. Every little bit helps happy.gif

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Posted By: 1934tour

As someone who is far more involved with autographs than cards it has always troubled me that so many people on this board question the authentication services and the field of autograph collecting in general. I have almost no involvement in card collecting and can honestly say that I am glad because I truly believe that most high grade/dollar cards that are in slabs have been somehow tampered with and my limited knowledge in the area would lead me to buy a good number of these. That said, I suppose that is why all of you feel the same way about autographs! I would lay ALOT of money on the table and say with near certainty that the number of authentication mistakes made in the autograph field pale in comparison to the number of altered cards that are now in slabs.

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Posted By: Eric B

I'd take that wager.

In the vintage, pre-war realm, I would say less than 1% of graded cards are fakes. But over 50% of authenticated autographs are fake.

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It is pretty bold to assert that 50% of authenticated material is fake. I assume that there would be some basis for this claim...care to elaborate? Is that the general sentiment of those on this board?

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Just to be clear, I am not referring to material authenticated by any group other than PSA/DNA and James Spence Authentication. Those are, in my opinion, the only 2 firms that anyone should have any confidence in whatsoever. Likewise, I would limit the card side to PSA and SGC.

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Posted By: Mike

That is a very interesting observation regarding fake autographs vs altered cards. I don't know enough about either to argue one side or the other. However, altering cards takes some special skills that most people either don't know how to do or know how to do well. Any idiot with a pen can try and trace Mantle's autograph on a collectible piece. I am glad to hear that there are so many rejected autographs.

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Posted By: Anonymous

This notion speaks largely to my point...Certainly you could take pen in hand and forge a Mantle autograph, that does not mean anyone is going to write a letter on it. To convincingly forge a Mickey Mantle autograph that would not only fool the authenticators but also the, literally, thousands of people out there like myself who do not need anyone to tell them if is it real would take YEARS of practice. Even at that I doubt someone could get good enough to fool everyone in the know. On the same note I could take a card and trim away, does not mean someone is going to put it in a slab although I suspect that given enough practice a good number would slip through. I guess what I am ultimately saying is that I feel alot of the autograph bashing is not warranted just like my card fears are surely overblown. That said, it has been my experience that more often than not a large portion of these autographs which people claim to have obtained in person that do not pass authentication are indeed nothing I would feel comfortable with either (take that how you may).

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Posted By: Vintage Clout

Let's keep this simple...ANY valuable baseball vintage autograph out on the market not certified by either Jimmy Spence (JSA) or Steve Grad (PSA) is due to the fact that they have already rejected it or the owner or auction house KNOW it's a forgery. EVERY owner knows that the $$$ are achieved with JSA or PSA so their is NO reason why a good autograph wouldn't be sent to either of these companies. While everyone makes mistakes, Jimmy's and Steve's mistakes on a percentage basis are limited.
Jimmy sold me on his expertise a few years ago when I sent him a HOF lithograph signed by 14 members. I purchased it with 4 autographs and tracked down the other 10 on my own (in person). Wouldn't you know it that Jimmy declined the 4 signatures that were on the litho when I purchased it without knowing that was the case...how about that! (and believe me, the 4 forgories were well done). Good enough for me.

Stick with PSA and JSA,...that is where the $$$ are!

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"ANY valuable baseball vintage autograph out on the market not certified by either Jimmy Spence (JSA) or Steve Grad (PSA) is due to the fact that they have already rejected it or the owner or auction house KNOW it's a forgery. EVERY owner knows that the $$$ are achieved with JSA or PSA so their is NO reason why a good autograph wouldn't be sent to either of these companies."

The key words mentioned by Vintage Clout are "out on the market". I have individual pieces worth thousands with signatures obtained in-person over a period of decades and I have never sent even one autograph to be authenticated. None of them have been offered for sale, but if they were to be sold, then I would likely send them in to a third party.

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'ANY valuable baseball vintage autograph out on the market not certified by either Jimmy Spence (JSA) or Steve Grad (PSA) is due to the fact that they have already rejected it or the owner or auction house KNOW it's a forgery.'

Let's not take this too far now. There's plenty of bad apples out there (STAT et al), but that is a bit much. Would this mean that, say, a Richard Simon COA is just worthless junk, then? Can't just dismiss anything that doesn't have an Alphabet Soup-authentication letter.

Not trying to start a war, and I apologize in advance if I'm not understanding you correctly, but PSA/JSA are not the be-all, end-all of legit vintage autograph authentication.

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Posted By: JohnnyH

It's very easy to forge an autograph and a skilled hand only needs minutes, not years of practice. Not sure how DNA works and maybe it is tougher to forge a deceased player but if they are still alive it is a piece of cake. Unless you witness an autograph from the player or person it is nearly impossible to tell for certain if it is real.

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First of all, autograph forgeries are FAR, FAR more prevelant than any kind of baseball card fraud. An autograph is either WORTHLESS, or worth something. If there were magic printers that could trick grading companies with flawless examples of T206's, then we could talk. As much as 4 out of every 5 autographs are fake and having it authenticated by anyone, there is an error rate involved. JSA and PSA/DNA get it wrong more often than they want you to think and the others get it right, never. They exist to pass weak tries and those items that JSA and PSA/DNA fail so someone can get something out of the deal.

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I'll make it real simple:
Coach's Corner + Stat Authentic = Christopher Morales x Value = worthless

If there is any doubt to this equation please find me a authentic autograph on the newest Coach's Corner auction that is authenticated by Stat. I'd be forever in debt to you if you do as I'd love a signed Joe Jackson baseball for $1,500 or a signed Bteales Sgt. pepper LP (Theres one about every 2 months on there) for $750

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Thank you CS.

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Posted By: Erick Lewin

While we're on the subject of reputable authentication services; is anyone familiar with/used ACE. I think it stands for Autograph Certification Experts and that they are a relatively new authenication service. They were at the last show in Long Island at Hofstra in the fall. I believe they will be at the upcoming show this weekend, which I cannot attend unfortunatley.

Anyone know anything about this company? I don't know how legit or not they are as I had never heard of them before the last show....

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According to the FBI more then 50% of autos
are fake.

I think it was said that 75% or more.



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Posted By: Anonymous

Richard, since you have noticed the thread...care to comment on the notion that has been implied that someone of limited skill could pick up a pen and piece of paper and forge a signature that would fool you?

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Posted By: leon

You need to be very careful about your comments and questions while staying anonymous. So far there is no issue but you are not going to be able to debate too much or give any strong comments while staying incognito....Nothing personal at all. It's just the rules. thanks much

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Posted By: Steve

I don't think people are worried about Richard Simon.

It is the CC and that ilk.


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Leon -

Not an issue, if need be let me know and I will drop you an email with my background info.

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I will pass on commenting until we know who anonymous is.

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this is the stuff that scares me when it comes to autographs...


http://www.signaturemachine.com/products/demo_page.htm

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Please do drop me an email. I appreciate it....

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Erick, ACE Autographs is the company founded by Justin Priddy after his time with GAI. I wouldn't submit anything to ACE, nor would I buy any items certified by them.

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Posted By: JT Burchfield

That FBI number was pulled out of the air. There's honestly no way to know how many autographs on the market are fake.

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Hi there Mr.Anonymous 1934tour,
I am still waiting for your email. Until then please don't post anything else on Net54. thanks

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1934tour has emailed me. He is not really who I thought he was and we had a good communication in emails. I will still ask to be careful about public posting if he wants to stay anonymous to the rest of the board, per the rules. Actually he is a person I have probably spoken with before. best regards

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