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Old 04-28-2011, 05:41 PM
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Default REA Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig Upper Deck Exquisite Dual Cuts Card "1/3"

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=19309

This has to be the worst "authentic" Babe Ruth signature out there. The Gehrig's not looking so great either IMO. Who votes this the ugliest Ruth Gehrig dual signed card?
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Old 04-29-2011, 06:49 AM
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Default gehrig/ruth auto REA

I fully agree on the signatures of Babe and Lou--worse I seen on both--and hard to believe the Babe is good---I was going to bid but just dont like the looks of either plus Babe has tape over it and Lou's is light
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Old 04-29-2011, 09:37 AM
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http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=19309

This has to be the worst "authentic" Babe Ruth signature out there. The Gehrig's not looking so great either IMO. Who votes this the ugliest Ruth Gehrig dual signed card?
I agree. I can always find a few ugly, but authentic Jeter autographs on Ebay, but I wouldn't want to own them.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:04 AM
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Interesting story relating to this item:

We were aware that this was a strange looking Ruth. We’re not autograph experts, but I don’t think one has to be to look at this signature with skepticism. At best, we thought, it’s not the most beautiful Ruth signature, and is uncharacteristically sloppy; at worst, we thought, it’s not authentic. When it came in by mail we immediately contacted the consignor and expressed concern it might not be accepted even though it had apparently been authenticated by UDA’s authentication process.

The consignor then told us an interesting story: He told us that he originally had a different Upper Deck card with a Ruth signature but that the Ruth signature was not authentic. It was a stamped signature. So he went to Upper Deck with his complaint and they agreed that an error had been made and arranged for his problem Ruth signature card to be replaced. This is what it was replaced with. (I don’t know if his original card had only a Ruth signature, or if all they did was replace the Ruth signature in this card, I just can’t remember.)

On September 3, 2010, even before being evaluated in person, we sent an image of the card (front and back) to JSA with this message just in case it could be eliminated without even seeing it in person (we thought that might be the case), and if so, we could send it right back to the consignor. The text of our message read: “Is this good? It has such a strange look. It has an unusual history too – The guy that is sending this to us originally had a different Ruth-cut Upper Deck card that had a printed Ruth signature (it was a stamped sig) so they replaced it with this. Is this good?” JSA immediately responded in the affirmative that they do believe they remember certing this item. We later arranged for in-person review of this item again by JSA (as we do with all signed items, even those that have already been authenticated), and JSA confirmed in person that they had no issues with the authenticity, and formally reaffirmed their opinion. Sometimes we’ve had signatures rejected as forgeries by JSA that have been very surprising (we thought they were going to be fine). Sometimes we see signatures that for some reason we have our antennae up and we expect that there might be a problem, and in the opinion of the authenticators there isn’t. That was the case with this item. So, that’s the story of the Upper Deck Authenticated Ruth-Gehrig card.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:21 AM
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Interesting story relating to this item:

We were aware that this was a strange looking Ruth. Weíre not autograph experts, but I donít think one has to be to look at this signature with skepticism. At best, we thought, itís not the most beautiful Ruth signature, and is uncharacteristically sloppy; at worst, we thought, itís not authentic. When it came in by mail we immediately contacted the consignor and expressed concern it might not be accepted even though it had apparently been authenticated by UDAís authentication process.

The consignor then told us an interesting story: He told us that he originally had a different Upper Deck card with a Ruth signature but that the Ruth signature was not authentic. It was a stamped signature. So he went to Upper Deck with his complaint and they agreed that an error had been made and arranged for his problem Ruth signature card to be replaced. This is what it was replaced with. (I donít know if his original card had only a Ruth signature, or if all they did was replace the Ruth signature in this card, I just canít remember.)

On September 3, 2010, even before being evaluated in person, we sent an image of the card (front and back) to JSA with this message just in case it could be eliminated without even seeing it in person (we thought that might be the case), and if so, we could send it right back to the consignor. The text of our message read: ďIs this good? It has such a strange look. It has an unusual history too Ė The guy that is sending this to us originally had a different Ruth-cut Upper Deck card that had a printed Ruth signature (it was a stamped sig) so they replaced it with this. Is this good?Ē JSA immediately responded in the affirmative that they do believe they remember certing this item. We later arranged for in-person review of this item again by JSA (as we do with all signed items, even those that have already been authenticated), and JSA confirmed in person that they had no issues with the authenticity, and formally reaffirmed their opinion. Sometimes weíve had signatures rejected as forgeries by JSA that have been very surprising (we thought they were going to be fine). Sometimes we see signatures that for some reason we have our antennae up and we expect that there might be a problem, and in the opinion of the authenticators there isnít. That was the case with this item. So, thatís the story of the Upper Deck Authenticated Ruth-Gehrig card.
What I don't understand is that with all of the attractive Babe Ruth cuts available, why Upper Deck would replace it with that ugly Babe Ruth. Very puzzling.

Thank you for sharing that story.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:39 AM
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What I don't understand is that with all of the attractive Babe Ruth cuts available, why Upper Deck would replace it with that ugly Babe Ruth. Very puzzling.

Thank you for sharing that story.
Chris,

Probably because they had to pay twice for it, since the first one wasn't real, and they were trying to get the most ROI out of it without losing a bunch on that one card, just my opinion/thought.
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:52 AM
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Probably because they had to pay twice for it, since the first one wasn't real, and they were trying to get the most ROI out of it without losing a bunch on that one card, just my opinion/thought.
Greg, you're probably right, but if I'm the customer (the consignor) I'm demanding a "nice" Ruth. I would assume they received a refund from the initial purchase of that "stamped signature." Then I would assume they move forward and purchase a "nice" Ruth for the already unhappy customer. But no, they replace it with a hideous Ruth.

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Old 04-29-2011, 11:08 AM
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I'm demanding a "nice" Ruth.
If I pulled a Legit Ruth Cut today it could be Crayon on Toilet Paper. I wouldn't complain. But that's just me.
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Old 04-29-2011, 12:15 PM
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I'm actually happy they didn't use a better document to shred for that card. They actually improved the look of both signatures IMO.
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:37 PM
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If I am not mistaken, hasn't JSA been the authenticator for all of UDA vintage items for the past few years ever since UDA had a problem with that quad signatures card? If so, I wonder if they authenticated the stamped Ruth that was replaced?


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